iPod first generation install?

[bidmead]

The screen is very faint indeed, and the characters are tiny.  Examining them using a loupe I can just about make out the iPod version number as 0xFFFFFFFF (which probably means "unknown", doesn't it?).

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Chris

[amiconn]

OK, so we know what happens. The hardware revision should always be present (so we thought), but in this case, it isn't. That fact makes the button code not enable the wheel (cause it checks for 1st Gen, and  doesn't find one), and therefore it cannot work of course.

So the question is why this ipod doesn't report a version number. I could provide a special test build that dumps the ROM right after boot. That file would be interesting....

[Dindojul]

As bidmead I find an iPod version 0xFFFFFFFF

[bidmead]

[OT?]

(I'd place this elsewhere, but there doesn't seem to be an appropriate forum, and it's closely related to what we've been discussing here.)

It's clear from this thread that the TWiki>Main>iPodPort>RockBox Status report on 1G is over-optimistic.  "RockBox works nicely but more work is needed" doesn't accurately reflect the reality that, at least on some 1Gs, RB is actually unusable.

I take the point made earlier that developers may not have the interest or time to update the docs (although IMHO docs should be as important to them as code).  The value of a Wiki is that end-users can pitch in and do the job.   So I've signed up for the Wiki.

The TWiki page on TWikiAccessControl suggests "Open, freeform editing is the essence of WikiCulture - what makes TWiki different and often more effective than other collaboration tools. For that reason, it is strongly recommended that decisions to restrict read or write access to a web or a topic are made with great care - the more restrictions, the less Wiki in the mix. Experience shows that unrestricted write access works very well.."  I agree.

But apparently da management doesn't.  Edit access to the RockBox Status report I mention above is restricted.  Although signed up, I can't reach in to edit it. And unlike Wikipedia, for instance, there doesn't seem to be a discussion page behind the main Wiki page, where at least I could lodge a proposal to change the page.

Correct me if I'm wrong -- please -- but it looks as if the developers are too busy to update the docs themselves, but leary of letting end-users do it.  IMHO this is no way to run a code shop.

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Chris

[linuxstb]

@Chris,

You simply need to ask in IRC for write access to the wiki - this should be mentioned on the TWiki Registration page.  This is an anti-spam security measure (we've suffered badly in the past), and any person with write access to the wiki can give another user write access - it's not limited to developers.

[bidmead]

Ah, OK.  Ignore my rant, then.

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Chris

[amiconn]

So, here's the promised test build: http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/rockbox-1g-rom-dump.zip

Brief instructions:  

• Install a current official build.
• Replace /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod with the test version.
• Boot your ipod with that version. It will create the file internal_rom_000000-0FFFFF.bin in the root

Then post that file somewhere (it's 1MB, so the forum won't work).

Jens

[soap]

Even I wouldn't be so bold as to speak for my brother, Joe Soap.
 

[Dindojul]

Here is my file http://jul.yus.free.fr/rockbox/internal_rom_000000-0FFFFF.bin
if it doesn't work, I also put a zipped version here http://jul.yus.free.fr/rockbox/internal_rom_000000-0FFFFF.zip
Thank you for your attention!

[linuxstb]

Dindojul,

Thanks for that file - the extract worked fine.

Just to update people, the issue now is to find an alternative way to distinguish 1st and 2nd generation ipods - the method currently used obviously doesn't work on all 1st gen ipods...

[Dindojul]

An easy way can add a disk capacity test:
If rockbox find an iPod 1/2G...
just check the harddisk...
with a 5Gb disk, it can only be an iPod 1G... Isn't it?

[Llorean]

People can change their disks.

[bidmead]

Enable the mechanical scroll wheel by default, unless the firmware reports a version number?

Or is that too simplistic?

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Chris

[Llorean]

I imagine that's a fallback option, but there might be other reasons to explicitly identify the iPod version in the future too, and there's still things to look into for that.

[yapper]

Why not invert the logic (look for the 0x0002000X identifier to see if it's a 2nd gen, and if thats NOT found, assume a 1st Gen)?