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Title: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: pinkdog on March 21, 2020, 12:41:03 PM
So basically there is nothing you can buy to install rockbox on?
New mp3 players don't allow rockbox. Old and used mp3 players will get broken or battery will be done and no replacement battery.
Is that correct? If not, what buy to install rockbox? Or how do you get replacement parts and batteries for old devices?
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: pinkdog on March 21, 2020, 12:41:28 PM
The only new thing I can see is Fiio M3k with some experimental rockbox port
http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,52952.0.html
That's better than nothing, but is it the only option right now?

We need to list the options and make some simple guide for people who want rockbox mp3 player.
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: Milardo on March 21, 2020, 01:14:09 PM
Hi, you can look at agptek rocker, they can be bought new.

http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51653.0.html
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: Eyedunno on May 15, 2020, 09:12:14 PM
Hi, you can look at agptek rocker, they can be bought new.

http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51653.0.html
I registered for the forum to say that this post sold me on the AGPTEK Rocker. Well, I just got it today, and boy, is it hot garbage. "Maybe I can actually use the dongle on my headphones to control the volume, unlike my FiiO FX1221," I thought. But haha, no, turns out I can't use the controls on my headphones AT ALL, even to pause or fast forward/rewind, and to control the device, I have to actually pull it out of my pocket like it's 2004. But that's not all! I also can't play while charging, and while Replaygain (the whole reason I bought this thing) seems to work for some stuff, it doesn't work for FLAC/cue files, which is 75% of my music collection. So yeah, caveat emptor.
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: gomezz on May 16, 2020, 06:34:20 AM
I don't think it ever claimed to allow you control playback from the headphones and as far as I know there is no PMP running Rockbox that allows you to do it either (other than perhaps an iPod?).
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: failsandwich on May 20, 2020, 07:21:07 PM
Old MP3 players are just as good as if not better than new ones. Why fix what isn't broken?
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: kaisrmaulo5 on May 27, 2020, 02:37:19 PM
So back in probably around 2010 I had one of those Sansa Clip+'s, which, of course, I installed Rockbox on. Now I've lost it, but want to relive that experience, and possibly on more modern hardware. Any recommendations?
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: squarefoot on May 27, 2020, 07:26:47 PM
I too have my second dying Clip Zip, and no intention to purchase anything that can't be reflashed with a decent player firmware like Rockbox; definitely not an easy task.
If I had the skills, I would probably attempt to port the minimum functional subset (playing, equalization, replaygain - no fx, no games etc.) of Rockbox to some cheap architecture, then consider designing a player from scratch. There are tons of cheap Arm based boards out there, many of which support i2s DACs, then there's the ESP32 whose WiFi connectivity would be a plus (playlists/songs sharing, streaming, etc).  I guess those goals should be enough to start a crowfunding campaign.
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: darkcity on June 02, 2020, 06:00:53 PM
The battery on my Sansa Clip+ inflated to twice it's size last week in the hot weather. What alerted me was some of the keys wouldn't press and there was a crack in the side of the case. I couldn't get the SD card out and when I forced the case open the card snapped.

: -(

The battery hasn't held charge for a long time. I was using with the usb power adapter constantly in. I wonder if this expanding of the battery is the next stage after it stops holding charge, or perhaps it was just the heat.

Anyway, the up shot is I've ordered a Benjie T6 to RockBox. I don't care about headphone controls or BlueTooth so we'll see. (Benjie T6 is in the same class as AGPTEK Rocker - CPU Ingenic x1000 MIPS32, DAC Cirrus Logic CS42L51  http://www.startlr.com/review-of-benjie-t6-an-affordable-ticket-to-the-realm-of-hi-fi/)
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: Prisoner416 on June 08, 2020, 02:57:46 PM
The Sansa Fuze is perfect thanks to the scroll wheel, I don't know why a modern player doesn't try to clone its design. I might shell out for an modded iPod just because they seem more durable, even if I prefer a physical wheel.

I really really wish an android port was possible, though. Being able to use cabbie enhanced info's ui on a phone would be a godsend.
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: musictracer on June 22, 2020, 03:10:17 PM
Hey everyone!
So, correct me if I am wrong, but basicaly rockbox seems to be dead once and for all, right?
I mean, really, what's the point of keep developing when there are no new ports to flash? I had the luck to have a clip+ rockboxed since 2011 and with a few battery and headphone jack tweeks it served me for years till a couple of years ago when the screen started losing contact. Since then I have been desperately looking for an alternative, but nothing seems to be pleasing really. Mk3 lacks fm receiver, while Rocker has a mono fm receiver and it is quite possible that you don't get a genuine one (I got the chinese -Ruizu- version which turned out to be counterfeit.

Few years ago I remember some guy named LEO in this forum or another , who is an agptec developer willing to collaborate to make more rockbox compatible agptek products. What happpened to him? Ggeneraly I don't understand why companies try to choke the whole rockbox idea, instead of investing in it. They could even benefit from getting rid of the need of software developers, while at the same time making their products more desirable.
Really guys, is there any point in keeping faith for future rockbox-ible ports, or should we just face the bitter truth of rockbox being a long gone dream that will never revive again?
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: gomezz on June 23, 2020, 06:08:53 AM
Basically the whole market for dedicated personal music players collapsed following the mass adoption of the smartphone.  As we dedicated users know there are many advantages to continue using a dedicated player but we few, we happy few, we band of brothers, are in a small minority these days.  :(
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: musictracer on June 23, 2020, 08:22:48 AM
Basically the whole market for dedicated personal music players collapsed following the mass adoption of the smartphone.  As we dedicated users know there are many advantages to continue using a dedicated player but we few, we happy few, we band of brothers, are in a small minority these days.  :(

You are right in that turning to smartphones prevents companies in investing much in dedicated players, yet they still make new models. Also afaik the major reason for rendering a port unrockboxable is the lack of adequate ram. So, how hard would it be to add a little more of it in a few models. But it goes even more suspicious when past succesful and fairly cheap models like clip+ and fuze had more ram than newer models that might cost even less. To me it's obvious that companies want the rockbox project eliminated. And then we have the alternative of huge heavy smartphones that we need to carry along with us while joging, at the risk of breaking them in case of an unfortunate fall.

Someone proposed a crowdfunding campaign earlier. I think it would be a wonderful idea! Hope it comes true some day!!!
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: darkcity on June 23, 2020, 10:26:38 AM
Rockbox working well on Benjie T4 T6 for me currently, and the Rockbox project seem reasonably well to me with recent updates https://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: musictracer on July 05, 2020, 05:35:23 AM
Rockbox working well on Benjie T4 for me currently, and the Rockbox project seem reasonably well to me with recent updates https://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi
Thank you for your contribution, but it's out of production, so... end of story. :(
If only there was a rockboxable player one could buy nowadays....
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: johnb on July 05, 2020, 06:13:05 AM
T4 apparently was a typo!
Benjie T6 is the equivalent to the Rocker and still available.

Further recent devices:
xDuoo X3ii and X20.
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: darkcity on July 05, 2020, 10:26:03 AM
Sorry, yes it was the Benjie T6 I meant. Still available to order new. No sure if it's in production.
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: musictracer on July 09, 2020, 04:55:26 PM
T4 apparently was a typo!
Benjie T6 is the equivalent to the Rocker and still available.

Further recent devices:
xDuoo X3ii and X20.

Thanks for noting!!  ;D

Sorry, yes it was the Benjie T6 I meant. Still available to order new. No sure if it's in production.
Looks really nice and with good stamina, BUT :
1. Lacks Fm receiver
2. Can't find a EU dealer
 :(
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: darkcity on July 10, 2020, 10:58:47 AM
I got mine second hand off ebay. Aliexpress sell Benjie T6, I think they ship to EU?

Yes there is no fm or recording on this device. I got mine to replace Sansa Clip+ on which the battery had expanded - taking out the keys and the microSD.
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: musictracer on July 11, 2020, 09:16:45 AM
I got mine second hand off ebay. Aliexpress sell Benjie T6, I think they ship to EU?

Yes there is no fm or recording on this device. I got mine to replace Sansa Clip+ on which the battery had expanded - taking out the keys and the microSD.

Got a Ruizu player once from Ali and proved to be counterfeit - though you really could't tell by the look. I won't risk it again.
If I were close to you I would buy your sansa if you sold it (even with dead battery). Best player ever!!
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: darkcity on July 11, 2020, 10:46:20 AM
I don't know what state my Clip+ is in - microSD and USB sockets may be broken.

Clip+s come up regularly on ebay - but you may have to bid over the odds.

Penon Audio is another option for new players, but I've never used them personally.

Did you get a refund on the counterfeit from Aliexpress?
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: musictracer on July 18, 2020, 09:07:48 AM
I don't know what state my Clip+ is in - microSD and USB sockets may be broken.

Clip+s come up regularly on ebay - but you may have to bid over the odds.

Penon Audio is another option for new players, but I've never used them personally.

Did you get a refund on the counterfeit from Aliexpress?

Clip+s sell ridiculously high even as 2nd handed, while I am not a big fan of getting 2nd handed stuff anyways.

I will look into Penon Audio , but with a brief search I saw no retailers in the EU. Do you know of any legit retailer outside the EU? Also, any specific model that can be rockboxed?

I didn't ask for a refund for the fake Ruizu. I decided to keep the player. It was a mediocre player but for 18 euros it wasn't all that bad. Wouldn't buy again though, I really need to step up a bit in quality. That said I want to make a couple of declares:

1. My general experience with Ali is quite positive. Not only have I got refunds whenever asked (couple of times), but once I mistakenly filled wrong address in an order and the item (watch) was never picked by me and returned to the seller, I asked kindly of him to resend it to the right address while I would pay the extra costs and he told me I could just ask for a refund which he would accept. He litteraly returned he whole amount, without even asking me to reorder. Great service.
So, ofcourse I might haven't been satisfied with the Ruizu or a wall ac wire detector I oncce order, that didn't work as it should, but apart from that I have been given great service from Ali and its retailers. Also the buyer protection they provide is faster than paypal to my experience. But ofcourse you will have to use your card directly, if that might concern you.

2. I read in a forum once that at some point Ruizu banned China retailers from sending to other countries. This means that if you want a genuine Ruizu it would be wiser to look into Agptech just to avoid any scam purchase. (Ruizu brand for the rest of the world (outside China) is Agptech AFAIK).
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: darkcity on July 19, 2020, 07:48:56 AM
thanks for the detailed answer  :)

I will look into Penon Audio , but with a brief search I saw no retailers in the EU. Do you know of any legit retailer outside the EU? Also, any specific model that can be rockboxed?

I don't know of retailers outside the EU, though someone the forum probably does.

This page lists stable and development versions - if it's not on the page it probably isn't currently supported:

https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: musictracer on July 28, 2020, 06:35:08 PM
Great! Thanks for the list!
Title: Re: Rockbox is dead, no suitable players? List all options
Post by: Astrogoth on August 17, 2020, 09:08:45 PM
The Wiwoo 16Gig or 32Gig look interesting at the $11 sale price. FM included. One comment on the players Amazon page says no Rockbox but nothing I could find here.