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Title: Devices ROCKBOX can be installed on
Post by: HERCULES1X on January 06, 2021, 02:42:52 PM
I just noticed that many of teh devices that ROCKBOX software can be installed on are very old and in many cases are not being made any more.

I have a BERENNIS model BN-mp3-D08  and do not see any downloadable software for this type of MP3 player

Any chance ROCKBOX software exists for this company's products?

If not, any chance software will become available.?

Just as a side note... This is a very solid made product, just sadly the equalizer installed in it does not allow actual control of music... It only allows the user to choose ROCK, CLASSICAL, JAZZ, BLUES, HIPHOP all of which FAIL to improve the sound at all.

I had a SANSA clip for years and recently something went awry and the unit no longer works. When I plug it to my computer, there is that DING DONG sound alerting it has been recognized, but it will not initialize at all to the ROCKBOX screen and without that I can not get to any settings/sound or anything.

I ordered the BERENNIS as a replacement as the only SANSA replacements I see are USED models or grossly over priced.

Any help with the BERENNIS would be appreciated
Title: Re: Devices ROCKBOX can be installed on
Post by: saratoga on January 07, 2021, 09:54:52 AM
Search says you're the only one to mention that company, so probably some generic rebrand. Do you know what CPU it uses?
Title: Re: Devices ROCKBOX can be installed on
Post by: HERCULES1X on January 07, 2021, 05:15:07 PM
I have no idea what the CPU or OPERATING SYSTEM could be.

I tried plugging the unit to my computer and searching to see if it would somehow be displayed, but I am only given a mass storage device and the 16 Gig internal memory and the 16 Gig micro card installed.

I did a search of the company BERENNIS using OPERATING SYSTEM and CPU as search parameters, but no info on CPU/OPERATING SYSTEM could be found.

Any clue on search words that could possibly be used to find the information you need?
Title: Re: Devices ROCKBOX can be installed on
Post by: saratoga on January 07, 2021, 07:39:01 PM
I doubt you'll find this information online.  Open up the player and see what is inside it.
Title: Re: Devices ROCKBOX can be installed on
Post by: HERCULES1X on January 09, 2021, 10:36:30 PM
I recently bought the player, which received such glowing remarks about its performance, battery life, appearance etc

Yes, it is one solid feeling unit, but outside of that the device sounds like crap functionality is ridiculously complex, its categorizing of music turns your music collection into a joke, but most of all it is the week sound that drives me nutz. Love my Sansa clip with RB that made it truly like having a stereo to my ears.

I don't see or even can feel how to open the unit... again... it is very well made. Looks like I would have to somehow pop out the glass face of the unit with the possibility of breaking it.

Think I am going to return this to Amazon and look for something else.

Is there a UPDATED list of players ROCKBOX works on? The models on your site are very old and no longer available on sites/stores.

I want to get something I know RB will work on
Title: Re: Devices ROCKBOX can be installed on
Post by: saratoga on January 09, 2021, 11:54:57 PM
There is a list of players on the front page.  It is updated regularly. 
Title: Re: Devices ROCKBOX can be installed on
Post by: GSV3MiaC on January 30, 2021, 08:42:35 AM
I see the list of devices on the front page, but I can't figure out which ones I can actually buy today, as my trusty clip zip is starting to fail. So, a question for the team, if you had to buy some RB compatible hardware today (2021) what would you buy? I love the clip zip .. portable, light, runs for ages .. but like most of the items on the front page it no longer exists in the stores..
Title: Re: Devices ROCKBOX can be installed on
Post by: Serenity on January 30, 2021, 12:50:28 PM
Devices that will run Rockbox and all plugins reliably are going to be older devices due to the time it takes to port Rockbox. The dev team tend to do this in their spare time. Since the average lifespan for a device seems to be around 18 months, a stable Rockbox player will likely be discontinued by the manufacturer.

Some ports, like the XDuoo X3ii and X20, are still available on Amazon and should run Rockbox well enough for daily use.

Personally, I would check local buy & sell sites to see if someone in your area is selling a Clip Zip or iPod Classic. With some ingenuity both of these players can be updated (new battery, and in the case of the iPod Classic, replacing the HDD with flash storage) for years of use. Your own Clip Zip may just need to be reformatted, or have its original firmware re-flashed. I have had a couple Clip Zips over the years whose internal memory got corrupted, causing erratic behaviour.

Luckily, Rockbox is designed well enough that you do not need the newest, best, fastest player to enjoy your music. The fact that it runs on devices that are 20 years old is simply amazing.
Title: Re: Devices ROCKBOX can be installed on
Post by: Oktan on January 30, 2021, 04:05:57 PM
I totally think the list of supported devices should include when each device was first sold, so as to simplify picking one out.
Title: Re: Devices ROCKBOX can be installed on
Post by: HERCULES1X on January 31, 2021, 06:57:51 PM
Devices that will run Rockbox and all plugins reliably are going to be older devices due to the time it takes to port Rockbox. The dev team tend to do this in their spare time. Since the average lifespan for a device seems to be around 18 months, a stable Rockbox player will likely be discontinued by the manufacturer.

Some ports, like the XDuoo X3ii and X20, are still available on Amazon and should run Rockbox well enough for daily use.

Personally, I would check local buy & sell sites to see if someone in your area is selling a Clip Zip or iPod Classic. With some ingenuity both of these players can be updated (new battery, and in the case of the iPod Classic, replacing the HDD with flash storage) for years of use. Your own Clip Zip may just need to be reformatted, or have its original firmware re-flashed. I have had a couple Clip Zips over the years whose internal memory got corrupted, causing erratic behaviour.

Luckily, Rockbox is designed well enough that you do not need the newest, best, fastest player to enjoy your music. The fact that it runs on devices that are 20 years old is simply amazing.


Do you know off hand if the SANSA CLIP ZIP JAM works with RockBox?

I don't see the JAM version of Sansa on the Builds board and wonder BEFORE I purchase it, will RB work on it?
Title: Re: Devices ROCKBOX can be installed on
Post by: saratoga on January 31, 2021, 08:44:03 PM
Devices that will run Rockbox and all plugins reliably are going to be older devices due to the time it takes to port Rockbox. The dev team tend to do this in their spare time. Since the average lifespan for a device seems to be around 18 months, a stable Rockbox player will likely be discontinued by the manufacturer.

Some ports, like the XDuoo X3ii and X20, are still available on Amazon and should run Rockbox well enough for daily use.

Personally, I would check local buy & sell sites to see if someone in your area is selling a Clip Zip or iPod Classic. With some ingenuity both of these players can be updated (new battery, and in the case of the iPod Classic, replacing the HDD with flash storage) for years of use. Your own Clip Zip may just need to be reformatted, or have its original firmware re-flashed. I have had a couple Clip Zips over the years whose internal memory got corrupted, causing erratic behaviour.

Luckily, Rockbox is designed well enough that you do not need the newest, best, fastest player to enjoy your music. The fact that it runs on devices that are 20 years old is simply amazing.


Do you know off hand if the SANSA CLIP ZIP JAM works with RockBox?

No, just the listed devices are supported. 
Title: Re: Devices ROCKBOX can be installed on
Post by: HERCULES1X on February 06, 2021, 10:19:20 PM
I see on the builds board the SANSA CLIP +... Does the Sansa Sports Clip +, qualify as a model ROCKBOX can be installed on?

Ugh I have been searching for a MP3 player that it will work on and all of the models on the ROCKBOX site are no longer made or are in various states of disrepair on Amazon/EBAY/MERCARI etc

Thanks
Title: Re: Devices ROCKBOX can be installed on
Post by: Frankenpod on February 07, 2021, 04:04:07 AM
I see on the builds board the SANSA CLIP +... Does the Sansa Sports Clip +, qualify as a model ROCKBOX can be installed on?

Ugh I have been searching for a MP3 player that it will work on and all of the models on the ROCKBOX site are no longer made or are in various states of disrepair on Amazon/EBAY/MERCARI etc

Thanks

If you search the forum for "sport" (in the search box to the left) you'll find the answer is very much 'no'.  Seems like this question constantly comes up, because Sansa decided to give this thing much less memory but a similar-sounding name.
Title: Re: Devices ROCKBOX can be installed on
Post by: HERCULES1X on February 07, 2021, 10:27:32 PM
I see on the builds board the SANSA CLIP +... Does the Sansa Sports Clip +, qualify as a model ROCKBOX can be installed on?

Ugh I have been searching for a MP3 player that it will work on and all of the models on the ROCKBOX site are no longer made or are in various states of disrepair on Amazon/EBAY/MERCARI etc

Thanks

If you search the forum for "sport" (in the search box to the left) you'll find the answer is very much 'no'.  Seems like this question constantly comes up, because Sansa decided to give this thing much less memory but a similar-sounding name.

If memory is an issue with these players... Maybe ROCKBOX can offer a "LITE"  version of their firmware.

Truth of the matter most people only want the equalizer effect so the sound of the music on their player can be improved.

Maybe that can be the focus of future  firmware since these MP3 manufacturers seem to be limiting memory as you say. and/or is it possible aspects of the software of the various players can be removed and in its place RB installed.

For example these MP3 players have small screens not suitable for witching videos, even though that is a included feature.

If the video playback aspect can be removed (and other non used features like voice recorder, Book Reading software etc) then that would open up memory space for RB.

Just an idea
Title: Re: Devices ROCKBOX can be installed on
Post by: gevaerts on February 08, 2021, 04:17:24 AM
I see on the builds board the SANSA CLIP +... Does the Sansa Sports Clip +, qualify as a model ROCKBOX can be installed on?

Ugh I have been searching for a MP3 player that it will work on and all of the models on the ROCKBOX site are no longer made or are in various states of disrepair on Amazon/EBAY/MERCARI etc

Thanks

If you search the forum for "sport" (in the search box to the left) you'll find the answer is very much 'no'.  Seems like this question constantly comes up, because Sansa decided to give this thing much less memory but a similar-sounding name.

If memory is an issue with these players... Maybe ROCKBOX can offer a "LITE"  version of their firmware.

No. The difference is too big for that.

For example these MP3 players have small screens not suitable for witching videos, even though that is a included feature.

If the video playback aspect can be removed (and other non used features like voice recorder, Book Reading software etc) then that would open up memory space for RB.

These are all plugins and have zero impact on this.