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Title: Problems: Iriver H10 RockBox R13548; No Dual Boot? WinXP can't sync / see USB?
Post by: DrivingAnalytical on June 04, 2007, 05:42:36 AM
Hi;
I've just installed RockBox R13548 / 070603 from files I downloaded today. It plays OK from the database, but when I tried to synchronise the H10 with WMP 10, I found that Win XP / SP2 couldn't recognise the H10.

I then tried to dual boot back to the old iRiver firmware, but it will only boot into the RockBox firmware. I can't make out the splash screen that shows up between the initial iRiver 1.10 boot screen and the RockBox screen, but it doesn't seem to contain error messages, just what looks like version info..

Given that I can't get into USB mode, I seem to be stuck without a way back...
Any suggestions?
Thanks...
Title: Re: Problems: Iriver H10 RockBox R13548; No Dual Boot? WinXP can't sync / see US
Post by: DrivingAnalytical on June 04, 2007, 09:41:01 AM
No, I'm not just "talking to myself"...  ;)

I've managed to get a successful Dual Boot back to the original firmware by holding the 'Cancel' button down with the power button... 'Minor' error in the doco?

That's progress: it's in MTP mode and so I've got WMP doing the sync to add some recently recorded tracks... I'm still worried about being able to get it into UMS mode, just in case I need to update / remove RockBox...
Title: Re: Problems: Iriver H10 RockBox R13548; No Dual Boot? WinXP can't sync / see US
Post by: DrivingAnalytical on June 04, 2007, 10:36:32 AM
Talking to myself again... time for the men in white coats?    :)

The sync has finished OK and I've managed to get the player connected in UMS mode, so I guess all's well that ends well...

Just a doco change required...
Title: Re: Problems: Iriver H10 RockBox R13548; No Dual Boot? WinXP can't sync / see US
Post by: Stuart Morrow on June 29, 2007, 11:29:50 AM
Yeah, I got the same thing, I didn't realise that it was power + cancel until I read it here though.

Lol, whenever I tried the dual boot according to the manual, my first panicky thought was "Oh crap, the /System/OF file and the /System/H10_20GC file must both be the same file by my accident!".

What a relief. ;)
Title: Re: Problems: Iriver H10 RockBox R13548; No Dual Boot? WinXP can't sync / see US
Post by: aletum on July 20, 2007, 09:28:00 AM
Strange enough, but even holding Cancel (assuming it's the left arrow button) and Power together, doesn't boot anywhere except for the selfsame Rockbox.
Actually, I tried holding all of the buttons and pressing Power (sequentially and combining - all variants), all to no avail.

Just to be sure we're on the same page; what I do is
1. Press and hold down Cancel (while H10 is switched off)
2. W/out releasing it press Power and hold 2 secs or so
3. Iriver logo is shown (I release Power or hold it still - doesn't matter) and I still hold Cancel pressed.

the original firmware now renamed to OF.mi4 residing in /system folder is intact. It has NO attributes like hidden,archive,read-only. Likewise the system folder is stripped of any attributes.

Am I missing any hidden knowledge of voodoo-type manipulations to get my h10 to boot back to iriver firmware. Please, help me.
I sense this problem is experienced by many.
Title: Re: Problems: Iriver H10 RockBox R13548; No Dual Boot? WinXP can't sync / see US
Post by: Febs on July 20, 2007, 09:40:59 AM
Strange enough, but even holding Cancel (assuming it's the left arrow button)

There is no need to assume.  Our manual describes all of the buttons:

(http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10/rockbox_interface/images/h10-front.png)

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Am I missing any hidden knowledge of voodoo-type manipulations to get my h10 to boot back to iriver firmware. Please, help me.
I sense this problem is experienced by many.

This knowledge is not "hidden."  The Manual explains how to dual boot:
http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h10/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-240003.1.3

The Manual says to hold the "Prev" button to boot the original firmware.  I am not personally familiar with the H10.  If the manual is incorrect, as suggested in one of the posts above, then someone should confirm the correct key sequence and file a bug report on our Flyspray tracker so that we can correct the documentation.
Title: Re: Problems: Iriver H10 RockBox R13548; No Dual Boot? WinXP can't sync / see US
Post by: aletum on July 25, 2007, 09:41:56 AM
You know, over the last week or so I tried to load the original firmware by holding all thinkable&unthinkable combinations of buttons, changing Rockbox's  firmware - no result.
Now it leads me to the following question:
Is dual booting a documented feature of iRiver H10? (where is it documented)

Hence, why is the file has to be named OF.mi4 . Is the original bootloader looking for this file when you hold "Prev" during boot-up?

Or is it the case that upon boot-up the control is first passed to the Rockbox firmware, which in turn loads the OF.mi4?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Problems: Iriver H10 RockBox R13548; No Dual Boot? WinXP can't sync / see US
Post by: Febs on July 25, 2007, 10:22:44 AM
Now it leads me to the following question:
Is dual booting a documented feature of iRiver H10? (where is it documented)

Read my last post.

Quote from: Febs
The Manual explains how to dual boot:
http://download.rockbox.o...ildch3.html#x5-240003.1.3
Title: Re: Problems: Iriver H10 RockBox R13548; No Dual Boot? WinXP can't sync / see US
Post by: barrywardell on July 28, 2007, 05:54:32 AM
There was indeed an error in the H10 manual. I have updated it now. You need to hold the Cancel button while booting to load the original firmware. It expects the OF.mi4 file to be present and requires the latest version of the bootloader (from 20-Mar-2007).
Title: Re: Problems: Iriver H10 RockBox R13548; No Dual Boot? WinXP can't sync / see US
Post by: aletum on October 31, 2007, 06:16:11 AM
Despite the 3 months that have passed since my last post, I still haven't been able to boot to the OF. I changed my firmware to r15275-071023 and still can't boot OF.

1) Can't this be an EEPROM problem as was the case in some other threads on h300?

2)I want to propose that all those who managed to boot h10 into OF describe here the exact sequence of turning the player on and holding whichever buttons they have. I fear that it's not enough to say "hold Cancel while booting", there should be a correct timing. SO please describe what did you press, on which stage of booting, how long you held the button, what screen came up.
I wouldl appreciate beyond measure any contribution.
Title: Re: Problems: Iriver H10 RockBox R13548; No Dual Boot? WinXP can't sync / see US
Post by: PaulPosition on October 31, 2007, 12:02:37 PM
Dude, you most probably have something borked with your installation...

Here's how I succesfully dualboot into the OF on my H10 5gb :
- I make sure the hold switch is off
- I press the power button and release it
- Half a second after, I press and hold the 'cancel' button (on front, left, below screen)
- The H10 then shows me a 'debug like-screen' with rev. number and such stuff which stays on screen for about 7-8 seconds... I release the cancel button
- Bing! I'm into OF.

Now, let's see how we could get this to work with your device.

Somewhere around may or june of this year, the bootloader and .rockbox binaries have been changed for the H10 devices, which changed a whole lot of small things regarding dualboot like where the files go and such.  --  Is it possible that your version of the files are from before? It used to be you had to 'unscramble' the .mi4 file, which is no-more the case.

What *I* would do is try a complete reinstall. Use iriver's recovery tool to bring the player back to 'like new'. Then follow the instructions in the manual to reinstall rockbox, downloading all the files again to make sure you have the most recent ones.

Of course it sucks to re-do the whole 'copying mp3 to player' and such, but I really believe it's only a small mistake, somewhere in the installation, that's preventing you from booting OF.

Good luck