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Title: Rockbox for ipod 5g,5.5g,6g Battery capacity doesnt go high enough
Post by: fennectech on July 14, 2017, 10:25:04 PM
These days you can buy 3000 mah batteries for the ipods (as i have done) but the settings menu goes only to 1500 mah.   Relivant listing here http://www.ebay.com/itm/3000mAh-Battery-Upgrade-replacement-for-iPod-video30-classic-6th-80gb-120gb/322484390613?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
Title: Re: Rockbox for ipod 5g,5.5g,6g Battery capacity doesnt go high enough
Post by: cereal_killer on July 15, 2017, 05:09:03 AM
I really doubt that the capacity of this battery is true. The following website may not be the most reliable source for battery information, but this is a nice read: https://www.iflash.xyz/3rd-party-extended-battery-guide/

Does anyone have long term operating experience with this battery or performed a battery benchmark test?

For the battery settings, the manual covers this quite nicely: https://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch8.html#x10-1480008.5.1
Title: Re: Rockbox for ipod 5g,5.5g,6g Battery capacity doesnt go high enough
Post by: fennectech on July 18, 2017, 08:43:27 PM
How would i go about doing a battery benchmark   I am in the process of running a test with the built in app for it (its at 5 percent now) i can upload it   when its finished
Title: Re: Rockbox for ipod 5g,5.5g,6g Battery capacity doesnt go high enough
Post by: cereal_killer on July 21, 2017, 11:16:51 AM
Yes, I was thinking of the built-in plugin. Fully charge the battery, set playback to repeat and start playing a long playlist or a big file and leave the player alone until there comes no sound out of the headphones anymore. I always use -40 db and a single mp3 with the size of about 120 MB.

More information: https://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch12.html#x14-29800012.4.2
https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodRuntime

There was a report of a expanded battery on head-fi, which makes these batteries more suspicious: https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/official-ipod-video-classic-5g-5-5g-6g-6-5g-7g-ssd-mod-thread.566780/page-605#post-13589773

Would be nice, if you could report your setup and the results.
Title: Re: Rockbox for ipod 5g,5.5g,6g Battery capacity doesnt go high enough
Post by: fennectech on July 23, 2017, 09:04:07 PM
ill report now   leme upload

https://www.dropbox.com/s/th9uk1229kik438/bin.zip?dl=0   Its an iPod 5g with an iflash quad and the battey i linked above   Playing mp3 files all 320kbps   display off  with headphones up at -16db

Total of 63 hours until it somehow shut down  but the battery was not dead   it was at 5 percnt so close enough.  Thats more battery life than anyone could possably make use of in a single sitting
Title: Re: Rockbox for ipod 5g,5.5g,6g Battery capacity doesnt go high enough
Post by: phlooo on December 11, 2017, 04:31:24 AM
I just made a benchmark with my 1900 mAh battery (the 'standard' high capacity battery size), and I reached 65 hours. So I think yours is mislabelled as 3000 but is in reality a 1900 mAh, this type of scam is very frequent (and I have yet to see an actual 3000 mAh battery for iPod).

That being said, the capacity doesn't go high enough for 1900 mAh, and yes it's totally accessory but I get that you'd like it to go this high :)

I think you just have to compile a build of Rockbox from the sources (on github), you'd be able to first edit the BATTERY_CAPACITY_MAX variable in the file /firmware/export/config/ipodvideo.h
Title: Re: Rockbox for ipod 5g,5.5g,6g Battery capacity doesnt go high enough
Post by: Frankenpod on December 11, 2017, 12:01:30 PM
I just made a benchmark with my 1900 mAh battery (the 'standard' high capacity battery size), and I reached 65 hours. So I think yours is mislabelled as 3000 but is in reality a 1900 mAh, this type of scam is very frequent (and I have yet to see an actual 3000 mAh battery for iPod).

That being said, the capacity doesn't go high enough for 1900 mAh, and yes it's totally accessory but I get that you'd like it to go this high :)

I think you just have to compile a build of Rockbox from the sources (on github), you'd be able to first edit the BATTERY_CAPACITY_MAX variable in the file /firmware/export/config/ipodvideo.h

I think Tarkan had it right in his analysis that simply considered the physical volume of each of those batteries (2000,1900,3000) and concluded they were probably in reality about 1700,1700 and 1800 respectively.  The 3000mah one is slightly larger volume than the others, and personally my suspicion is they are all made much the same way out of much the same materials in the same Chinese factory, so size is likely the only factor.

I still feel it would be technically possible to fit a still larger battery in a thick ipod, but it would have to be an irregular shape (to use all the available space), and I don't know if that is possible with batteries, and I'm sure would be more expensive to manufacture if it were.

Is it not possible to set the battery capacity in the fixed.cfg file?  You can't set it high enough via the menu, but the fixed.cfg file seems to allow any number.  Not that it matters in the slightest as the battery indicator is wildly inaccurate anyway.

Also, since that samsung exploding phone scandal, I've become quite nervous about all the devices I have with largish lipo batteries.  I did have one (of many) 3000mah and one 2000mah swell up, though not enough to pop open the ipod.
Title: Re: Rockbox for ipod 5g,5.5g,6g Battery capacity doesnt go high enough
Post by: Libra_Audio on March 11, 2021, 01:13:28 PM
sir where is the location of fixed.cfg so i can fix my battery issue??
Title: Re: Rockbox for ipod 5g,5.5g,6g Battery capacity doesnt go high enough
Post by: Frankenpod on March 11, 2021, 02:31:47 PM
https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomConfigFile