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Playlist: Centre button or Right could Insert instead of Play?
soap:
I'm assuming right would move you deeper into the directory tree until you get to a file, at which point it would act as "insert"?
If this is so, how would you insert an entire directory?
Febs:
There are two ways this could work:
1. Since right and play are currently redundant, right could be dedicated to inserting to playlist. So, if one were to hit right on a folder, the folder would be inserted. Select would be used to open a folder rather than inserting it.
or
2. The "quick insert" could operate only on files, so that right and play would both open folders, and right would only be used to insert files.
Personally, I would prefer #1 for two reasons. First, it is more functional. Second, I don't see any need to have functionality duplicated on two separate buttons when one of those buttons could be used for something else.
pablored:
Thanks for the replies. Once again I can only comment on use on a Nano.
I had been using the select (centre button) to always open directories, but from a logical point of view left and right probably make more sense for movement through the structure. Especially if that Left to WPS patch is heading towards inclusion. I was used to the other manner from Apple I guess.
Also, it follows that you never need to play a directory. So play could be best as being the fast forward/right button (given that play is already taken). To play a track you would move forward through the structure, pressing the same button to play it at the end.. or move to the centre button to insert into the playlist at any point (directory or file). Holding this down would bring up the usual playlist menu. It would be easy to document as a playlist button, perhaps the short press option could even be definable from the long press list?
Option 1 from Febs is also great, I just wonder about which would make most sense to a new user and heads towards the most consistent overall. The above suggestion just swaps the buttons.
This is really tricky though isn't it, due to what people have got used to and the different button layouts on different players. Different spaces between buttons and all that affecting usability. I've only just started using Rockbox this last month, and love the playlist functions. Just wish there was a simple way to fix the keymap.
Thanks Febs for the pointer to the Playlist Options, that should stop some frustration in the meantime.
Paul
Febs:
--- Quote from: pablored on January 20, 2007, 11:09:42 AM ---Especially if that Left to WPS patch is heading towards inclusion.
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I think that it is safe to say that the "left to WPS patch" will *never* be included in Rockbox. There is very strong opposition to the concept among some of the core developers, for several very good reasons that are explained in the thread on that patch. (Among other things, (1) the file browser is Rockbox's main screen so the concept doesn't make much sense, (2) it would make navigation more difficult for blind users, and (3) the "play" button already goes to WPS from the file browser, so it is unnecessary.)
--- Quote ---Also, it follows that you never need to play a directory. So play could be best as being the fast forward/right button (given that play is already taken). To play a track you would move forward through the structure, pressing the same button to play it at the end.. or move to the centre button to insert into the playlist at any point (directory or file). Holding this down would bring up the usual playlist menu. It would be easy to document as a playlist button, perhaps the short press option could even be definable from the long press list?
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My suggestion is more intuitive to me, but I can see the argument for doing it the other way. I suspect that if this were to be implemented, there would be a significant percentage of the user base that would need to adapt regardless of which method were chosen.
JdGordon:
--- Quote from: Febs on January 20, 2007, 09:44:56 AM ---1. Since right and play are currently redundant, right could be dedicated to inserting to playlist. So, if one were to hit right on a folder, the folder would be inserted. Select would be used to open a folder rather than inserting it.
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sounds good, BUT I think not only should it be optional, it sould be customizable also.
i.e, right would allow any of the playlist insert options (so all the insert and queue options)
heck, I would even like it if right just opened up that playlist insert menu, because long press navi is annoying.
also, remeber we have the rec button on the hxxx which is barely used at all which people have been asking for this sort of thing on that button for ages....
whatever the outcome, this sort of patch is fairly easy to put together, so all we need is some sort of consensus and the OK from the core guys and its good to go.
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