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The "My ipod install went wrong" Thread. **Updated 6th Aug 2007**

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AlexP:

--- Quote from: NeilShapiro on September 09, 2007, 01:52:03 PM ---have an install that is internally well-documented and that is working at near-consumer level I'll try it again. Thanks.

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What does this mean?

GodEater:

--- Quote from: NeilShapiro on September 09, 2007, 01:52:03 PM ---No offense and I'll keep checking and when it appears that you have an install that is internally well-documented and that is working at near-consumer level I'll try it again. Thanks.

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I'm not quite sure what your issue with the documentation is - I think it's pretty good.

That aside, I thought I should mention that linuxstb is working on ipodpatcher so that it will do the change from HFS+ to FAT32 all in one place. Ultimately that will also mean it gets built into RockboxUtility, and will (hopefully) be a couple of mouseclicks for you. Hope that helps.

NeilShapiro:
What I mean by "internally well-documented" is, for example, error messages which are verbose and intuitive rather than mysterious and counter-productive. When I got the brief error message about a "mount point" it would have made more sense for the error message to have read something like "Detection of Player Has Failed. Would You Like to Auto Detect? Yes/No." Then, why after detection did the software not automatically issue a "Warning: Player Must Be Formatted Win-Compatibile By iTunes" immediately and before the full install button was pressed resulting, this time, not even in a dialog box but a terminal-screen warning.

The documentation which comes with the RockBox utility is a pdf or html file (I used the html choice) which, as far as I can see, is documentation which predates the RockBox Utility and refers, instead, to software not on the RockBox Utility distribution disk image and software not needed when using the utility, i.e. ipodpatcher (in manual section 2.2.4). Why, instead, does not that section of the manual (generated, after all, by the RockBox Utility) reference the actual software being used and which, I assume, is at least one generation newer than ipodpatcher?

It is not my intention to argue with anyone here as I certainly appreciate many hundreds (thousands?) of people have installed this and are happy with it. I also know you are mostly all volunteers and don't need any problems here. The only reason I have explicated the above is because I was directly asked what I meant by my previous posting. I hope this explains how I feel a little bit better.

Thanks.

scorche:
Error messages are small because we have many targets that simply would not have the room for a multi line message.  As well, having the .map addresses is simple and easy, as it would be silly for the device to have to look up the .map file every time it encountered an error.

Rockbox Utility is not ready to be made the official install process yet, which is why it is not included in the manual.  As well, the manual is updated every day with new information and is not something that we just update once in a long while.  You assume incorrectly about ipodpatcher being outdated as well.  If that was the case, we would not recommend using ipodpatcher.

We are not mostly all volunteers...we ALL are.  ;)

NeilShapiro:
OK on ipodcatcher not being outdated. But my point is that if Rockbox Utility brings up or generates or includes a manual, that manual should concern itself with Rockbox Utility and not a different program entirely. Thanks.

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