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Rockbox Player - Project to design and build a Free/Open hardware audio player
Der Papst:
--- Quote from: casainho on April 02, 2008, 06:12:50 PM ---Why doesn't count? - can you say why do you think that Pacemaker, don't have video capabilities?
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Sure.
--- Quote from: Der Papst on April 02, 2008, 06:00:22 PM ---To support these features you need a very powerful SoC (i guess even a bit more than the one you've chosen) and a large enough LCD to keep the UI intuitive (for use in rockbox since i doubt anyone wants those buttons and pads (they're even protected by a patent);-)). [...]
So i kinda think it's unavoidable that a videoplayer gets thrown on the device with more codecs than "just" mpeg1/2. :-P
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So you have a large LCD, a powerful SoC and lots of coders wanting to use all the power of the DAP. It is just unavoidable unless you limit the DAP that strong that it would become incapable to do 1/3 of the features the Pacemaker has.
I'm not saying that i want a large display, longer battery runtimes and video support in favour of a high quality audio player. The SoC is cheap, the display to and the battery either. So i really don't understand why that is an issue for you.
--- Quote from: kugel. on April 02, 2008, 06:15:58 PM ---My point is, that's very much doable to combine video playback (including a decent color screen) with good auto quality.
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Imo it's unavoidable ;-)
scorche:
Here is the point as simple as I can make it:
Video is not going to hurt audio.
Your example of still images versus video is an incorrect analogy as they typically only have one CCD in the device and the whole device is designed to be a good video, or a good still image recorder - which in this case, yes there is a benefit to one side at the expense of the other side. This is not the case, however in terms of digital media players if they are designed correctly.
In this case, there is no change required in the DAC, the SoC, or any of the major parts as they already are just fine for both video *and* audio. There is nothing in the device that will either make it better for video at the expense of audio capabilities or better for audio at the expense of video capabilities. Putting in a larger, better screen is not going to degrade the audio somehow and neither is using a larger battery. In fact, using a larger screen could potentially make the audio better as you will have more room on the boards to do what you wish.
To reiterate: none of our suggestions are going to degrade audio in any way and to throw out ideas because they might not be explicitely "for audio" is just silly.
Using price as a reason is also potentially faulty, as if you listen to our suggestions earnestly, you will have more people who will want to purchase the device. The more people who want to purchase the device, the less the manufacturing/parts cost will be.
casainho:
--- Quote from: Der Papst on April 02, 2008, 06:24:51 PM ---The SoC is cheap, the display to and the battery either. So i really don't understand why that is an issue for you.
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Well, If that don't compromise the high audio quality hardware, price, size and battery runtimes, why not? :) :)
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[/quote ---Have you heard of the Sansa Fuze? No advertisement, but it's said to have a great sound quality. And it features video playback as well as a low price.
Just because really good audio players with video playback are rare (depends on how you define good audio playback of course) and sometimes rather expensive, it doesn't mean it's impossible.
My point is, that's very much doable to combine video playback (including a decent color screen) with good auto quality.
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Hmmm... It doesn't look like to have digital audio inputs/outputs. And I remember to read a lot about some model of Sansa(maybe E200) with noise, because of a pour hardware. For me, that model looks like more an upgrade, to have larger screen for video.
--- Quote from: scorche on April 02, 2008, 06:39:15 PM ---Putting in a larger, better screen is not going to degrade the audio somehow and neither is using a larger battery. In fact, using a larger screen could potentially make the audio better as you will have more room on the boards to do what you wish.
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So, as you say, using a larger screen means to have a larger player, and thats not what is pretended - It's pretended a small physical size - pocketability.
--- Quote from: scorche on April 02, 2008, 06:39:15 PM ---Also, using price as a reason is also not concrete, as if you do these things, you will have more people who will want to purchase the device. The more people who want to purchase the device, the less the manufacturing/parts cost will be.
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Follow big numbers looks bad to me(not always) :-( as we can see now, one example is that everyone likes to have touchscreen, If you want to sell big numbers you will put a touchscreen, and looks no one desire a touchscreen for audio player, touchscreen just makes sense for video player.
So, I am not so optimistic about video not interfering with audio.
casainho:
--- Quote from: friendlyzookeeper on April 02, 2008, 07:02:00 PM ---I see that you want a blinking led from a ATMEGA32. I don't have linux running right now, video card problems. I do have dos with a parallel programmer, if i could use linus sysem I would use a usb isp. I could use a attiny 2313, if that would help?
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blinking led from a ATMEGA32?? - are you joking? :) :) - thats what I do in my day-to-day work, blinking LEDS with AVR 8 bits.
I repeat, did you read the page of the project? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxPlayerPrototype - where do you see there a mention to ATmega32?
scorche:
Thanks for ignoring all my other points.
A 220x176 screen with decent color is not going to ruin "pocketability" in any way. Neither is a 240x320 screen honestly, but it can for some. I am not saying you have to do anything. I am just saying that the reasons you have been using do *not* make sense.
Also, I do not see "everyone" wanting a touch screen. I see someone mentioning that this other company happens to have them too. Read what people are saying, as to say something like that is proving that you are not even listening to them when this is *not* what they are asking for.
If you don't want to look at manufacturing and parts costs, then stop whining that X component is more expensive. To say that it will increase the cost of the device without factoring in these variables is false information.
--- Quote ---So, I am not so optimistic about video not interfering with audio.
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Why not?
And please do not "cherrypick" (this means that you only respond to the parts of my post that may fit your story instead of responding to everything that I say) my posts. I say things for a reason and to ignore that is not very demonstrative of your willingness to discuss issues.
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