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mnhnhyouh:
--- Quote from: bluebrother on September 24, 2006, 03:58:47 AM ---This is something like a "holy war" like Linux vs. Windows.
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I guess there are some that might think I am on this sort of kick over at the iLounge where I spend some effort to publicise Rockbox.
However, I think Rockbox is not even for the majority of iPod users. Most will be happier using iTunes and the stock firmware.
My hope is that some of the iPod users who take up Rockbox will join the Rockbox team. I would be happy if it just meant a few more well designed wps, or a couple more people testing bugs.
If I was the person who caused somebody to come to Rockbox who then started developing code, I would be a very happy person :)
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keuleJ:
--- Quote from: Llorean on September 23, 2006, 08:39:03 PM ---2) Out of curiosity how is 400 *not* a sane setting for "Max files in Dir Browser." The larger you make the setting, the worse battery life gets, and the vast majority of decently organized music collections should only have about 30 or less songs in a folder (the size of a moderately large single album).
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I have 491 Artists in my "Music" directory. I don't order them by genre.
--- Quote from: bluebrother ---Also, there is a main menu. What's wrong with it? You won't get the devs convinced to start in any other view than the browser. It's simple: what do you want after turning on your dap? Listening to music. To do so, you either resume the last played playlist (which then automatically switches to wps) or you need to pick some files. Thus, the only logical starting point is the browser. Starting in any menu would require another keypress to switch to the browser, and this keypress is the reason why you won't get devs convinced to start in anything else than the browser.
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What do you want after turning on your dap? Maybe listening to music, maybe recording music, maybe listen to the radio or even play a game?
OK, we have a main menu. But I think it should have entries for WPS and Browse Files and I think it should show up at startup optionally, but by default.
Llorean:
You can't make the maximum possible assumption though, because increasing the limit decreases the battery life for *everyone* who doesn't know about the setting. It's better for the few people with higher than average lists to increase theirs than making everyone with smaller lists decrease it to improve their performance.
Febs:
--- Quote ---I have 491 Artists in my "Music" directory. I don't order them by genre.
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IMHO, the problem there is with your method of organization, and NOT with the 400 file default setting. Not that there is anything wrong with your method of organization if it works for you, but you are clearly in the minority of users, and therefore (again IMHO) you need to adapt to the default rather than vice versa.
With respect to the other topics of discussion:
I have Word 2003 on my work laptop, and a slightly older version on my home computer. The version that is on my home computer is the one that hides most of the settings in the menus, and shows only those that have been recently used. I can't stand it. If I know what menu something is in but it is an option that is not currently visible, it's an extra click that I need to make to get to that option. If I don't know where something is, that "feature" makes it a real pain to look for it. In short, hiding menu items to make the interface "easier" does nothing of the sort. It only adds hassle.
I am 100% behind making Rockbox more user friendly by making the interface as intuitive as possible. I don't think that "dumbing down" the interface is the way to do it.
bluebrother:
--- Quote from: keuleJ on September 24, 2006, 03:33:18 PM ---What do you want after turning on your dap? Maybe listening to music, maybe recording music, maybe listen to the radio or even play a game?
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About 95% of the users want their dap to play music. Not radio, not games, not recording. So having the main menu as startup will make startup slower for about 95% of the users. Sorry, but this is the majority. Adjusting to 5% of the users (or probably even less) doesn't make sense at all.
--- Quote ---OK, we have a main menu. But I think it should have entries for WPS and Browse Files and I think it should show up at startup optionally, but by default.
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I completely disagree. You simply need to take into account what most people are doing with their players. Additionally, some players even have those options. Take the ipods for example -- no fm, no recording. What should that main menu be for? Selecting "Playback"? For all users starting with something else it's simply one additional button click. (Even the iriver OF doesn't start with such a useless menu!).
Also, there is a play button that takes you to the wps. Why have an additional (useless) menu entry when the same function can be achieved with a button? (Nevertheless this should work from all menus -- but this is a different topic).
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