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This is how Insert, Insert Next, and Insert last function
hardeep:
--- Quote from: Llorean on September 17, 2006, 10:42:42 PM ---I can't really think of ever wanting to use the first case, though I'll admit it's possible.
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I use this a lot when in a radio and/or party type situation. I have a base playlist that I start with and allow anyone to insert tracks as they please, played in the order inserted. Every now and then there's a need/request to play a particular track immediately which is when insert next is used.
--- Quote ---It also seems to me that the behaviour shouldn't be different (for insertion) depending on whether a playlist is Dynamic or Static.
I mean, if I choose to "Insert" a folder, why should it behave any different than if I play a song in that folder with Shuffle enabled, and play selected song disabled?
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I actually fixed this recently, inserting a directory vs. playing a track in it should behave exactly the same way in regards to playlist commands. The only time the behaviour is different is when you create a dynamic playlist with a single track and then begin inserting more into it.
One other idea I had was to add a "Reset Insert Position" option to the playlist menu. This may give us the best of both worlds at the expense of another option.
-Hardeep
Znirk:
Okaaaayyy. I had read the manual topic and wondered what the difference between "insert" and "insert last" was.
So, would I be right to put it like this?
--- Quote ---A currently running playlist has three sections: first its original contents from the file, then the tracks added with "insert" in the order they were added, finally the tracks added with "insert last" in the order they were added. All three sections can have further tracks "inserted next" while they're playing.
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If that's right, what happens if you're already in the "insert last" section when you "insert" a track? Does that track go to the "insert" section (before the Now Playing position in the playlist) and only get played if you repeat the playlist, or does "insert" do the same as "insert last" in this special case?
(Oh, and Hardeep: What would your "reset insert position" option set the position to?)
hardeep:
--- Quote from: Znirk on September 19, 2006, 06:31:18 AM ---A currently running playlist has three sections: first its original contents from the file, then the tracks added with "insert" in the order they were added, finally the tracks added with "insert last" in the order they were added. All three sections can have further tracks "inserted next" while they're playing.
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Thinking of this in terms of sections makes it more confusing imo. "Insert Last" always inserts at the end of the playlist. "Insert Next" always inserts immediately after the current playing track. "Insert" works like the Winamp queue function, playing tracks in the order inserted.
--- Quote ---(Oh, and Hardeep: What would your "reset insert position" option set the position to?)
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It would be just like the first time you insert, the track will be added immediately after the current playing track.
-Hardeep
Llorean:
I think there *always* needs to be an easy way to build a Queue after the currently playing song. For example, if the playlists is 1 2 3 4, independent of what other insertion options I've done, if Now Playing is 2, I should always be able to create 1 2 A B C 3 4 without having to insert in reverse order. Of course, if one moves the insertion position with insert last then it's reasonable that going back would result in 1 2 X Y Z A B C 3 4 or something similar, but it seems to me that there should always be a way to insert songs, in order, after the currently playing one. At least to me.
If I'm alone in this, it's fine, but this seems like the most common style of insertion procedure I use, lining up several songs I've just decided I wanted to hear, and I don't feel it should be dependent upon me not having created the initial playlist by way of insertions.
hardeep:
--- Quote from: Llorean on September 19, 2006, 03:03:52 PM ---If I'm alone in this, it's fine, but this seems like the most common style of insertion procedure I use, lining up several songs I've just decided I wanted to hear, and I don't feel it should be dependent upon me not having created the initial playlist by way of insertions.
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For the most part, that's how I insert tracks as well. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to determine when the initial playlist creation is complete. Do we want to use "Insert Next" as a trigger for this or add a separate command? Another alternative would be to allow users to create a playlist before beginning playback (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1856).
-Hardeep
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