Recording samples

[MoAv]

I'd love to hear some samples of what my H140 could do if it had the appropriate equipment. Well to make the comparison between players, any recording device that uses RB is invited to make it's contribution not only the H1xx series.

So people, this is where you post your professional recording experience.
Wouldn't mind getting a whole rock concert of your favourite band if you found a place to store it.
Don't forget to point out what exactly you used to capture the moment...

MoAv

[Mmmm]

Well, its not a rock concert, but I have some pieces I recorded with my H140 linked to in my sig.

I just used a tiny Stereo Skytronic lapel mic, so as far as equipment goes it's pretty raw.

[ummagumma]

 I haven't recorded any live concerts yet either, but we were jamming in a small rehearsal space & I used my H120 to record some. it works great!!

 here's a short clip...we only had vocals thru the PA so the levels are all over the place. the room is really boomy sounding too  


 right click & save target...the webhosting doesn't have enough bandwidth to stream it


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[whatboutbob]

there's plenty of samples on archive.org.  here's a gig i taped the other night: [link removed]

edit: link reposted: http://www.archive.org/details/Gomez2006-08-31.m1290.flac

Febs: The Live Music Archive hosts live recordings of artists that have given the ok to do so.

[jlo]

I'm also happy to record with a rockboxed H140 (B&K4006 mics on dummy head > mod UA5 >  H140rb).
Some samples of classical music (format is wavpack) at http://www.ohl.to/audio/samples/.

[Davide-NYC]

Some wretched band called "Slunt" played CBGBs tonight.
[link removed] the wavpack file (lossy, but not too bad).
For those that have never been to CBs... it's incredibly loud.
Equipment: (pos) Sony ECM-719 into homemade battery box into line input of H140.
BTW: The song is aweful. I couldn't stay for more than three or four tunes. If you can call them tunes.

I NEED to upgrade my mics. Any suggestions that won't kill my wallet? Hi decibel situations, cardioid or hyper-cardiod. Non-linear rock'n'roll mics that are relatively small and can take abuse. (and beer)

[C1u31355]

Why do you think you need cardioid?

You get more bang from the buck with binaurals, because inexpensive cardioids have limited bass response (like your Sony mic).  A good place to look (for both omnis and cardioids)  is:

www.soundprofessionals.com

For high decibel situations get a battery module. It keeps the mics from overloading.

[Febs]

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[gloco]

Why do you think you need cardioid?

You get more bang from the buck with binaurals, because inexpensive cardioids have limited bass response (like your Sony mic).   A good place to look (for both omnis and cardioids)  is:

www.soundprofessionals.com

For high decibel situations get a battery module. It keeps the mics from overloading.

um, a "binaural" is a mic pattern consisting of clipping your stereo pair of mics to your glasses by your ears to simulate what your hearing to get that stereo imaging.

"Binaural microphones come in pairs. When one is placed in or near each ear they record exactly what your ears hear. When you play a binaural recording back over good quality headphones, you hear exactly what you heard at the time of the recording. The effect is quite startling -- besides preserving a high fidelity version of a performance, good quality binaural microphones preserve the ambience of the recording site."

Read here:  http://www.core-sound.com/mics/1.php

I did use a pair of dpa4061's (which are omni's) at a show a few months ago and taped it "binaurally" and it sounds great.  Binaural is not a type of microphone.  To be honest, I would always recommend a cardioid mic over other patterns mostly because cards are more versatile for big concerts and even smaller shows (as long as your not in the first few rows).  

Lastly, I highly recommend a pair of soundprofessional mics, like the CMC-4's (which are at853's).  The mic patterns can be swapped right from the body.

[petur]

I had troubles recording a loud concert using omni's because they picked up way too much bass - in fact they pick up everything.

I'm having great recordings using a pair of cardoids + mic-amp from church-audio. His ebay store (http://stores.ebay.ca/CHURCH-AUDIO) is a bit of a mess imho, but if you mail him or PM him on http://www.taperssection.com I'm sure he'll give you a good price. For the record, I have his cardoids with his st-9100 amp.

[C1u31355]

Pardon my imprecision. I meant omni mics, though many vendors do use the terms omni and binaural interchangeably.

Decent omni mics are not bass-heavy. They're just picking up what many lower-priced cardioids do not. When you get used to that tinny sound, the extra bass may seem overwhelming, but it's actually what you were hearing at the show.

I prefer to get as accurate a recording as possible and then to tweak it later rather than using the microphone as a filter and losing the richness of real bass.  If it's not on the recording, you can't get it back, while you can fix a bassy recording through EQ. The only question is whether the bass will overload the recorder and cause a distorted recording, but with a battery module and good level settings, it shouldn't.

The Church Audio cardioid mics do claim to pick up the full frequency range of 20-20,000 Hz, so they may well be a good solution. (And your bass-heavy concerts will sound just as bass-heavy as they do with omnis.)

http://cgi.ebay.ca/STEREO-CARDIOID-MICROPHONE-4-MINIDISC-DAT-MP3-EDIROL_W0QQitemZ260028144525QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3281QQcmdZViewItem

I have some little Church Audio omnis and they sound very good.

Still, I prefer omnis in live recording--for a more 3D stereo image--unless the audience behind me is particularly chatty. And even the best  cardioids won't shut up the drunk yelling right in front of you.

[gloco]

Pardon my imprecision. I meant omni mics, though many vendors do use the terms omni and binaural interchangeably.

Decent omni mics are not bass-heavy

I own a pair of dpa4061's and yes, they are too bass heavy.  Other tapers have made the same comments on taperssection about the dpa's.

They're just picking up what many lower-priced cardioids do not. When you get used to that tinny sound, the extra bass may seem overwhelming, but it's actually what you were hearing at the show.  

I own a pair of $200 cards (sp-cmc4+phantom power which is an additonal $100) and they handle bass just fine.  

I prefer to get as accurate a recording as possible and then to tweak it later rather than using the microphone as a filter and losing the richness of real bass.  If it's not on the recording, you can't get it back, while you can fix a bassy recording through EQ. The only question is whether the bass will overload the recorder and cause a distorted recording, but with a battery module and good level settings, it shouldn't.

The Church Audio cardioid mics do claim to pick up the full frequency range of 20-20,000 Hz, so they may well be a good solution. (And your bass-heavy concerts will sound just as bass-heavy as they do with omnis.)

http://cgi.ebay.ca/STEREO-CARDIOID-MICROPHONE-4-MINIDISC-DAT-MP3-EDIROL_W0QQitemZ260028144525QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3281QQcmdZViewItem

I have some little Church Audio omnis and they sound very good.

Still, I prefer omnis in live recording--for a more 3D stereo image--unless the audience behind me is particularly chatty. And even the best  cardioids won't shut up the drunk yelling right in front of you.

The cards will probably work best though if in a noisy situation (as far as I know).  I recently taped a show where the couple behind me talked the entire time.  I figured I was screwed.  When I got home and listened back to the recording, you could not hear them.  Hypers are more likely to pickup chatter right behind you based on their mic pattern (based on the back hump often portrayed in diagrams over cards).  

[petur]

Decent omni mics are not bass-heavy. They're just picking up what many lower-priced cardioids do not. When you get used to that tinny sound, the extra bass may seem overwhelming, but it's actually what you were hearing at the show.

I prefer to get as accurate a recording as possible and then to tweak it later rather than using the microphone as a filter and losing the richness of real bass.  If it's not on the recording, you can't get it back, while you can fix a bassy recording through EQ. The only question is whether the bass will overload the recorder and cause a distorted recording, but with a battery module and good level settings, it shouldn't.

I have both omni and cardoid mics from Chris. I started with the omnis but had to switch to cardoids. But this can also be because his cardoids can handle higher SPLs. Or it's the nature of omnis, I don't know. But they picked up too much bass, that I'm sure off.

Fact is that I'm taping bass-heavy loud rock concerts, and I can assure you that my omnis were clipping. As for the sound of his cardoids, the amount of bass they pick up is just fine.