Poor sound quality on X5 with RockBox

[tvg]

I beg to differ. I never heard them. I enjoy my Rockbox on X5.

That does not mean that there is no clicks. How can clicks give enjoyment - I don't get.

Your "logic" is reversable; Just because you hear clicks doesn't mean that there are any...
I've never heard any clicks. Not in RB or OF... But then again, i don't crank the volume to 0 either...
And i use etymotic phones.

That kind of logic is not reversable. If you don't hear - you just don't listen.

[Taurus]

Sorry tvg, I don't see what you quoted from me...  
But I do hear the pause clicks (and stop clicks when shutting down).

As for the different headphones:
I think you're right, the clicky thing mainly depents on what headphones you're using.
As I mentioned, the noises are stronger on my Sennheisers. That's for example why I don't use them on my Dell office computer, because with the Sennheisers I've got unbearable beeping and humming noises (coming from the low quality onboard soundcard, the HDD & other components I guess), which I don't hear with my Sony headphones.

But still, there are clicks in Rockbox that I can hear even with my Sony MDR-EX71SL.

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That kind of logic is not reversable. If you don't hear - you just don't listen.

True to some extent; I don't (haven't) crank the volume to max and search for clicks and imperfections.

If you search for it hard enough you will find it, what ever it is.

[tvg]

The better headphones you use, the better you hear the clicks. When listening quiet music, the clicks are terrible.

More of that: RockBox shuts down on X5 with terrible Click (and screen garbage), while OF shuts down silently (with blank screen too).

True to some extent; I don't (haven't) crank the volume to max and search for clicks and imperfections.

If you search for it hard enough you will find it, what ever it is.

Just listen to queit music in quiet place. I agree with

In any case, if the OF is better, we should strive to be equally good.

And the sound quality of OF (except gapless) is better, fact.

[LinusN]

I hear the clicks quite clearly when I crank the volume to the max with my EX-71's. I just haven't heard it before, since it is downright painful to listen to music at that volume level (with those earbuds).

[tvg]

I listened Hindemith sonates for flute. Rather quiet record, so I lifted up the volume. It's not painful to lift up. But impossible to listen.

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The better headphones you use, the better you hear the clicks. When listening quiet music, the clicks are terrible.

More of that: RockBox shuts down on X5 with terrible Click (and screen garbage), while OF shuts down silently (with blank screen too).

Just listen to queit music in quiet place. I agree with ....
And the sound quality of OF (except gapless) is better, fact.

What headphones would you recommend for optimal click-awareness?
I guess, quiet music in a quiet place on quite high volume (since the music is quite quiet?)

Terrible click and Screen garbage on shut down?
It clicks once on shutdown aswell as once turn on - for me.
The OF does that aswell... Clicks that is.
Don't tell me your OF doesn't click on shutdown?

But no screen garbage.
Is your x5 hardware and/or rockbox installation ok?
What versions are you running?

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And the sound quality of OF (except gapless) is better, fact.

What settings do you use in OF to have better sound quality?
And how does that become a fact?

[tvg]

What headphones would you recommend for optimal click-awareness?
I guess, quiet music in a quiet place on quite high volume (since the music is quite quiet?)

Discusion with you is counterproductive, so I won't speak with you. Do not bother yourself.


OF clicks only at start and not at shutdown.

[madcow]

No click at al!

Only in the beginning of the X5 rockbox port.

[Taurus]

What headphones would you recommend for optimal click-awareness?
I guess, quiet music in a quiet place on quite high volume (since the music is quite quiet?)

Terrible click and Screen garbage on shut down?
It clicks once on shutdown aswell as once turn on - for me.
The OF does that aswell... Clicks that is.
Don't tell me your OF doesn't click on shutdown?

But no screen garbage.
Is your x5 hardware and/or rockbox installation ok?
What versions are you running?

I'm recommending Sennheiser CX-300.
I'm running a bleeding edge build.
Shutdown seems fine to me except for the (single) stop click and potential HDD accesses.

It also depends on EQ settings. I've got rather extreme EQ settings, which seem to highlight the clicks (-24DB Precut and Vol +6).
With EQ off and normal volume, the clicks are barely or not at all hearable, but with loud volumes they're there too.

My EQ (this EQ extremely boost bass):

eq precut: 240

eq band 0 cutoff: 80
eq band 0 q: 10
eq band 0 gain: 240

eq band 1 cutoff: 200
eq band 1 q: 10
eq band 1 gain: -240

eq band 2 cutoff: 800
eq band 2 q: 10
eq band 2 gain: -240

eq band 3 cutoff: 4000
eq band 3 q: 10
eq band 3 gain: -240

eq band 4 cutoff: 12000
eq band 4 q: 7
eq band 4 gain: -240

Volume (for me) with this EQ has to be 0 to +6 outdoors and -12 to -6 indoors.

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[Llorean]

Okay, first off, the *only* way to validly compare the two firmwares is with both having their EQ off. For example, since the X5 doesn't have a full parametric EQ, how can you be certain that any clicks brought out in Rockbox by an EQ wouldn't also show up in the OF with the same EQ?

I'm not dismissing the clicks, I'm just saying that they should be investigated flatly.

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What headphones do you use?
I'm a bit worried; if it really clicks that terribly as you say - why don't i hear them?
And what versions of rockbox do you use?

Answer those questions and we'll be a bit further enlightenment...
If I duplicate your setup i'd hear your clicks too - right? (as long as the clicks aren't higher than ~19khz)

[tvg]

Okay, first off, the *only* way to validly compare the two firmwares is with both having their EQ off. For example, since the X5 doesn't have a full parametric EQ, how can you be certain that any clicks brought out in Rockbox by an EQ wouldn't also show up in the OF with the same EQ?

I'm not dismissing the clicks, I'm just saying that they should be investigated flatly.

I'm telling about comparison with TOTAL absence of any EQ in either RB or OF. No sound enhancments, no EQs are on.
The only way to validly compare, as I understand, is to record to the PC from Line-out and to give you theese graphics.

[Llorean]

tvg, it's rather clear I was responding to the person who was admitting to using an equalizer.