New patch: Settings Display Within Menus. DONE!

[baobab68]

I was wondering, and not sure if this has been discussed before...

When using the new item lists within menus, would it be possible that you can highlight your selection and just press LEFT and have the selection acted on.

It feels odd to me to have to press NAVI on it to put it into effect. I am forever changing the treble setting and then cancelling it.  :-)

Maybe there's a technical or usability reason why it doesn't work like that?

[Rincewind]

It's not a technical reason, it is just a personal preference from the developer who commited the last major change to the menu system.
It used to be that you could press left to apply a setting, now it has changed to right.

So to save yourself a click on NAVI, you can go into the menu, set your setting and leave it again with right (feels like going through the settings screen and when you come to the other end you are mysteriously at the start again with you setting applied...).
It may not be intuitive but it is faster than pressing NAVI.
I liked it with left better (that was the behavior until a few months ago).

There was quite a long discussion on the dev mailing list about how the buttons on the settings screen should be mapped, but I don't remember if it came to a conclusion.

[JdGordon]

iirc, the outcome was that a checkmark would be used for the currently set item, pressing navi/select would move the checkmark. pressing right or left would exit with the current setting, and off would cancel

[Rincewind]

iirc, the outcome was that a checkmark would be used for the currently set item, pressing navi/select would move the checkmark. pressing right or left would exit with the current setting, and off would cancel

That's great, exactly what I like the best  

[Febs]

Actually, I thought that the favored proposal was the one that David-NY summarized today on the developer list:

UP/DOWN selects items in dir
LEFT exists dir no change
RIGHT enters dir or applies setting and exits (up one level)
NAVI makes change but does not exit dir

An indicator of the current setting (like the checkmark) in addition to the
inverted line (or pointer) based on where your current selection is would be
beneficial.

The checkmark should 'jump' to the inverted line and pause for a tiny amount
of time when NAVI (or RIGHT) is pressed.

I favor this approach for two reasons:

First, it is more consistent with the way that the File Browser works.  In the File Browser, LEFT exits the current folder without selecting the current file.  For consistency, LEFT should exit a settings menu without applying the setting under the cursor.

Second, some platforms do not have a STOP button (iPod, H10) or OFF button (iPod).  Those functions are achieved by a long press of another button.  I do not like the idea of having to use a long keypress to a settings screen with my current settings intact.

[mightybrick]

Actually, I thought that the favored proposal was the one that David-NY summarized today on the developer list:

UP/DOWN selects items in dir
LEFT exists dir no change
RIGHT enters dir or applies setting and exits (up one level)
NAVI makes change but does not exit dir

An indicator of the current setting (like the checkmark) in addition to the
inverted line (or pointer) based on where your current selection is would be
beneficial.

The checkmark should 'jump' to the inverted line and pause for a tiny amount
of time when NAVI (or RIGHT) is pressed.

I favor this approach for two reasons:

First, it is more consistent with the way that the File Browser works.  In the File Browser, LEFT exits the current folder without selecting the current file.  For consistency, LEFT should exit a settings menu without applying the setting under the cursor.

Second, some platforms do not have a STOP button (iPod, H10) or OFF button (iPod).  Those functions are achieved by a long press of another button.  I do not like the idea of having to use a long keypress to a settings screen with my current settings intact.

I agree with your statements above.  With an iPod, and no OFF button, it would be nice to have a button mapping as listed above.

[Rincewind]

Second, some platforms do not have a STOP button (iPod, H10) or OFF button (iPod).  Those functions are achieved by a long press of another button.  I do not like the idea of having to use a long keypress to a settings screen with my current settings intact.

On the ipods and H10, maybe the MENU button could be used as cancel?

Anyway, it is not a big deal, as long as there is a short way (be it LEFT or RIGHT, not only SELECT!) to apply a setting imediatly and exit, I'm fine.

[dropandhop]

Hey guys,

Just wanted to follow up on this great patch and see where it was heading.

Any news?

Thanks!
Aaron

[dropandhop]

Just bumping this one up again.  It was a really neat patch and was wondering if anyone was interested in committing it.

Thanks again!
A

[midgey]

Recently, there was a redesign of how the menus work. This patch won't even apply since it was written for the old menu system. Basically, the author has to completely rewrite the patch to get this working again.