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Menu reworking

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Llorean:
I think that a short press of the Record key should go to the record screen. The short-press of a button is it's "Primary" function, and the record button is the Record button, so it only makes sense. People already complain about the button mappings being counterintuitive without a button with so clear of a purpose being retasked.

This would still leave long-press open for an alternative function such as view current playlist.

Febs:

--- Quote from: Rincewind on August 17, 2006, 02:52:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: Febs on August 17, 2006, 02:38:48 PM ---I wonder if it wouldn't be more useable if it menus were in alphabetical order.

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I disagree, a similar idea would be to have short entries first so that the screen looks nice...
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I don't think that it's quite the same thing, considering that alphabetical order makes it easier to locate an item within a list. 

In theory, I think that putting most used functions first makes sense.  However, I'm not sure that we could achieve a consensus as to what constiutes a "most used function."

Llorean:
I think that we're missing a few things here:

1) Context menu. This exists for the 'most used functions in this context' which of could benefit from some small reevaluation.
2) The context menu could be enabled from the main menu. So, click the menu button, then call the context menu, and you get a smaller main-menu sorted by "Most used". This wouldn't contain everything, but it would be what people most commonly enter the menu for. This would allow for the normal menu to be alphabetized for easy finding of things.
3) Menu depth and locations. Some things are possibly miscategorized, as well it could be reconsidered as to whether the menus should go as deep as they do, or if some categories should be brought up on their own (LCD settings being a subcategory may not be the best idea.) In this case Alphabetizing will help even more for finding things, if some subcategories are floated up.

Rincewind:
I think alphabetical order is only important for very large lists. If you can see every list entry at once on the screen, the eye sees catch phrases (for instance words with Capitals) first, you don't scan a short list with maybe 10 entries alphabetically (at least I don't).

A consensus on what settings should have priority can't be find everywhere of course, but in these cases we can just leave it like it is now. We don't want to do everything from scratch, I see it that we are suggesting improvements, not a completely new concept.

and with alphabetical order you would think "ah, its alphabetical, ok, I want to find playlist options, that begins with a P that comes somewhere after N... damn, playlist options aren't in this menu, they are somewhere else..."

It would make sense to provide a special menu, where every settable option is inside one big alphabetically orderd list so that you can find options there when you know the name but not in which menu they are in. But this is much work for such a small feature.

On the record button thing: I wouldn't want to have a button that stops playback and maybe even activates the internal mic and monitors it to my ears if I accidentally press it. A long press is safer and you don't lose much convenience (and shoot me down for this, but this is actually the use that is labelled on the back of the player)

Llorean:
I personally many times tapped the Record button expecting it to take me to the Record screen quickly only to find it changing the EQ settings on the original firmware. So, while others may agree with that, to me it's always been a bad design choice on iRiver's part.

My theory is this: If you don't want accidental keypresses to interrupt your music, put hold on. There's already two keys that can interrupt the currently playing song easily, as well as a host of combinations that can do various things to it. Turn on hold on the base unit, and use the remote, or simply turn off hold when you want to change things. One more music-stopping button does not, in my mind, significantly increase the chances of your playback experience being altered.

But again, these are just my opinions on the feature.

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