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dunno:
I tried the horizontal scroll feature and think it's unuseable in its current form, it scrolls far to quickly to the right for it to be of any use, it would be more usefull if one could set the horizontal scroll steps, and be ble to horizontally scroll one screen sideways a 'side click' at a time.

on another note...

in my opinion, rockbox menu's are becoming bloated, and the navigation thereof is turning into a MAZE of very carefully timed button presses...

JdGordon:
re the horiz scrolling feature, i dont use it but i know i have some folders where the file names are waaay too long for the display and now the feature is easier to use i might...

as for the menus becoming bloated... the usual answer applies.. make a patch and get it commited... I tihnk there is a wiki page for discussion on how to clean up the menus (and if there isnt, please start one and start suggesting)...

roolku:
I completely agree with dunno. Navigation with this patch is a pain. Apart from the lost repeat functionaliy (navigating menus is now a frantic clicking orgy), the fact that it now triggers on the off-flank is completely unintuitive on the h120 with the joystick: you move the stick left (nothing happens) you move the stick back right to the middle position (it goes one level left in the menu). WTF?

While I can see it might be useful for people with really long filenames - why does it also apply to menus? Surely for the rare occasions where one doesn't know what the long text means just moving the cursor there and wait for the scrolling will be enough? And if not the shift-click seems perfectly sufficient to me.

Roolku

Rincewind:
I posted to the dev mailing list because of this. This is what I wrote:

There are a few things I like about the new button definition for
horizontal scrolling in lists but there are some things that I don't
like, because it makes navigation clumsier for me.

What I like:
 It isn't a key combo anymore, so I might actually use it regularily

But what I don't like:
- It is not possible to get back to root in file browser and to leave
all menus quickly anymore
For leaving menus and going up in folders, the old functionality can
be restored without breaking the new scrolling. If the screen is in
the leftmost scrolling position (the default case) then a long press
of LEFT doesn't do anything, so we can enable the previous behavior
(go all levels up fast) again. The scrolling code could check in which
position the screen is in, and if there is nothing to scroll, pass the
key back to the list handeling code.

- If you press left or right a little bit too long it starts scrolling
when I actually want to change folders.
My suggestion is to make the duration for a short press longer (only
in this special case, if that is possible)

Horizontal screen scrolling could be automatically deactivated if
every visible list entry fits on the screen completely.

dunno:

--- Quote from: jdgordon on August 13, 2006, 06:16:25 AM ---as for the menus becoming bloated... the usual answer applies.. make a patch and get it commited... I tihnk there is a wiki page for discussion on how to clean up the menus (and if there isnt, please start one and start suggesting)...

--- End quote ---
its not about making another patch with an alternative set of menus, It's about
1). The user friendliness of the CURRENT menu system.
2). How many more additional creative button presses can the menu system support.

I just wonder when the developers will render rockbox unusable due to user paralysis. I really don't want to carry a cheat sheet for button presses around because I dont use my unit regularly, and what about the sightless people, what are they supposed to make of the menu selections which are a Maze of precisely timed button presses. How many more creative button presses can be inlcuded, because programmers aren't done yet...

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