work on best low cost mp3 player for rockbox

[S.O.Y.]

Will there be any accessories specifically like arm-band belt clip, case etc.? I was looking forward for this player to look similarly to the sansa clip zip but the design of it isn't bad. Will wait, like others, until it is confirmed that rockbox works on it.

[pamaury]

Hi,
@hunterloo: I saw in the log that you were looking for me. I would be happy to port rockbox to the player, assuming we can at least get the documentation for the registers of the X1000 and possibly some info about the chips in the player (but mostly the soc programming manual). I am working on the JZ4760 port currently, I think it shares some features with the X1000 right ? As far as I know, ingenic only released a "datasheet" for the X1000 (google X1000_DS.PDF) but it doesn't contain any usable info.

[pamaury]

So after a lot of searching on ingenic FTP, I found the holy grail programming manual:
http://198.13.102.98/bj/ingenic_support/X1000_X1000E_X1500/02_HW/01_Phoenix/Phoenix_V2.0/03Datasheet/X1000_PM_20150918.pdf
It don't know if that's the latest version or if you (@hunterloo) have a newer version (did you even get the programming manual from ingenic ?) but that's clearly the good stuff to do the port Any info on other hardware parts in the device would still be helpful.

So I will buy the device and do the port unless you can send me a sample to work on ?

[lebellium]

@hunterleo: it appears your AGPTek Rocker is only a rebranded Benjie BJ-T6: http://www.benjie-tx.com/MP3HiFiPlayer/224.html

I thought you designed the whole player but actually you only customize and rebrand some existing stuff? Can you explain more deeply what are the differences between the Rocker and BJ-T6?

Thank you!

[amega]

Hi when will it be available in the UK?

[hunterleo]

@hunterleo: it appears your AGPTek Rocker is only a rebranded Benjie BJ-T6: http://www.benjie-tx.com/MP3HiFiPlayer/224.html

I thought you designed the whole player but actually you only customize and rebrand some existing stuff? Can you explain more deeply what are the differences between the Rocker and BJ-T6?

Thank you!

Bejie assembled the device for us. And we did the design of the appearance and the UI. The UI is different, for benjie version is available in China only.

[hunterleo]

So after a lot of searching on ingenic FTP, I found the holy grail programming manual:
http://198.13.102.98/bj/ingenic_support/X1000_X1000E_X1500/02_HW/01_Phoenix/Phoenix_V2.0/03Datasheet/X1000_PM_20150918.pdf
It don't know if that's the latest version or if you (@hunterloo) have a newer version (did you even get the programming manual from ingenic ?) but that's clearly the good stuff to do the port Any info on other hardware parts in the device would still be helpful.

So I will buy the device and do the port unless you can send me a sample to work on ?

Sure, I will update any new info for you and send me your address!

[hunterleo]

I'll definitely be ordering one as soon as developers here will confirm that a port seems possible... I'm talking about documentation and datasheets availability mostly...  It seems great!
@hunterleo what is your official shop on Amazon?

Just search AGPTEK Rocker on Amazon.  Linking Port is our distributor in US and Japan. Thanks.

[hunterleo]

Hi when will it be available in the UK?

It takes about 2 weeks. It's available on Amazon France now.

https://www.amazon.fr/Bluetooth-Lecteur-Musical-ROCKER-Memoire/dp/B01NBRJBOH/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1486348298&sr=1-1&keywords=lecteur+bluetooth+rocker

[opcon]

Is there any way I can order one from Australia?
Amazon US says it can't ship it to Aus.

[hunterleo]

Is there any way I can order one from Australia?
Amazon US says it can't ship it to Aus.

The international shipping might be available for next few months. I couldn't be sure about it.

[lebellium]

@hunterleo:

Just got my order from amazon.fr

1) I'm surprised the firmware is a beta version (1.01 beta). When I buy any device, I expect it to be shipped with a final version of the firmware. Beta versions should be used for your internal development and testing only. Some manufacturers may sometimes offer a beta firmware to download from their website but that's up to the customer to install it or not. Here I have no choice.

2) You can't just use google translation and then pretend to have a multilingual firmware. The French translation is terrible.
I'm nice, I give you an updated translation for free that you can use in any of your players including this Rocker. It's not perfect but far better than the current one for sure.

Original EN translation -> Original FR translation -> My FR translation

Play Mode -> Mode -> Mode de lecture
Music Scan -> Rechercher musique -> Scan musiques
Update Music Library -> En train de renouveler -> MAJ bibliothèque
Update Finished! -> Mise a jour terminé -> MAJ terminée !
Update X songs! -> X musiques mise a jour -> X musiques mises à jour
Gapless Playback -> Jouer sans fente -> Lecture gapless
Resume -> Reprendre -> Reprise auto.
Powered on Volume -> Volume de allumer -> Volume au démarrage
Customize Volume After Powered on -> Customization pour volume de allumer -> Choix volume au démarrage
Customization -> Customization -> Choix utilisateur
Track balance -> Balance de track -> Balance audio
Display Album cover -> Affichage de album -> Affichage pochette d'album
Display Lyric -> Affichage de lyric -> Affichage paroles
Screen Brightness -> Éclairage De L'écran -> Luminosité
Backlight Timer -> Temps De Extinction De L'écran -> Extinction écran
Automatic Shut-off -> Extinction automatique -> Minuterie d'arrêt
Automatic Shut-off Timer -> Temps Pour l'extinction Automatique -> Durée minuterie d'arrêt
24-Hour Time -> 24-heure -> Horloge 24 heures
Time setting -> Heure -> Réglage heure
Firmware Update -> Renouveller le firmware -> MAJ firmware
About This Player -> Concernant Ce Modèle -> A propos de
Settings -> Réglage -> Réglages
Now playing -> Jouer Maintenant -> Lecture en cours
Folder View -> Les dossiers -> Dossiers
My Favorites -> Mon favori -> Mes favoris
Recent Songs Played -> Les chansons joué récemment -> Chansons jouées récemment
File not Found! -> Fichier Non Trouvé -> Aucun fichier trouvé
File not Found in t... -> Liste non trouvé ! -> Liste non trouvée !
Card inserted -> Carte inséré -> Carte insérée
Card removed -> Carte retiré -> Carte retirée
Updating files, please wait -> Veillez patienter -> Veuillez patienter
Add to Playlist -> Ajouter à playliste -> Ajouter à Playlist
Add to My Favorites -> Ajouter à mon favori -> Ajouter à mes favoris
Back to Now Playing Interface -> Rentrer A l'interface De Musique -> Retour écran de lecture
Remove -> Supprimé -> Supprimer
Home -> Rentrer A HOME (l'interface Principale) -> Écran d'accueil
Bookmark ListsX -> Liste de signet X -> Liste de signets X
Bookmark -> Signet -> Signets
Successfully Added -> AjoutÉ -> Ajouté
Connected Device -> Périphérique connecté -> Périphérique(s) connecté(s)
Available Device -> Périphérique disponible -> Périphérique(s) disponible(s)
Connecting -> Connection -> Connexion
Disconnecting -> Déconnection -> Déconnexion
Card Capacity -> Capacité De La Carte -> Capacité carte
Card Free Capacity -> Capacité Disponible De La Carte -> Capacité carte disponible

3) The language setting should not be translated. It should remain in english ("Language") whatever the selected language so that you can easily find the setting again if you mistakenly selected another language you don't understand at all (for instance Chinese for me)

4) I don't see the point of the Display Album Cover setting. It doesn't display more id3tags when set to Off. Is it just to save battery life or so?

5) I don't understand the Now Playing Screen.
1st line scrolling: [id3tag Artist] [Filename+extension] [sample rate/size] [codec]
2nd line scrolling: [id3tag Album]

So depending on how you usually set your file names, you may get something scrolling like this
Alice Cooper 01 Poison - Alice Cooper.mp3 44,1KHz/16Bits MP3

- In my example you get twice the artist and the file format. That's useless.
I would suggest using [id3tag track title] instead of [filename+extension].
Maybe add a "id3tag ON/OFF" setting for those who prefer filename over id3tags

- You get sample rate and size but not the bitrate which I find interesting too. Maybe add a "Detailed Information" context menu with:
id3tag Track Title
id3tag Artist
id3tag Album
id3tag Genre
id3tag Album Year
Codec
Bitrate
Sample Rate
Bit Depth
File name + extension

6) Settings>"Play Mode" is not properly named and is very confusing. It should be called "Music settings" as it gathers both some playback and sound settings.
"Play Mode" should be used for repeat/shuffle only

EN: Play Mode -> Music settings
FR: Mode de lecteur -> Réglages Musique

7) From the now playing screen, a long press on the "up" button should go back to the Home menu. Short press on the "up" button then select "Home" everytime is boring.

8 ) There shouldn't be a Gapless setting ON/OFF. Your CD player doesn't ask you if you want gapless playback or not. Neither does Rockbox. That's the proper implementation.
Moreover, your user manual entry is broken. It mixes up gapless playback with fade-in/out:

"Gapless Playback:
1) Choose On to turn on fadein(the preset volume decrease gradually to silence) and fadeout(the volume increase
gradually to the preset volume) when going to next/previous song, fast forward or rewind.
2) Choose Off to turn off fade in-out."

[Burrhus]

Hi.

Being french myself, and having provided translations here and then to softwares, although I don't have this player, I think the translation you propose, lebellium, is very correct. I endorse you. I'll recommend AGPTek to implement this improved translation. Hunterleo, if you could make the information follow...

I 'm looking forward for RockBox port to this device. If the port keeps the Bluetooth functionalities, I forecast a hit among afficionados  !

Best regards,
Burrhus

[hunterleo]

Hi lebellium,

I appreciated your help and we will improve the translations and work on your suggestions. A French fellow translated for us, and I think he doesn't understand DAP terminology as you do.

The 1.01 version is not beta OS version. We did come out some beta version before 1.00, that's why Rocker didn't launch on time) , We fixed a small bug after the 1.00 version and name the new version as 1.01 beta for further test. After the testing, we haven't found any new bug in it. We didn't take "beta" out of it for we still work on adding new feature on Rocker. Sorry for the confusion.

We are still a small company and have many things to learn, but we will keep our promise to work on a better DAP as we said at the beginning of this thread. Little by little, we will make our product better. Thank you for your support.

Best regards,

Leo

[lebellium]

Hi hunterleo,

Thanks for your reply.
If you really work hard on it, I can help further. For instance I can overview the whole FR translation (assuming it's a .txt or .lng file, just send it to me) or before you release a new firmware on your website, you can send it to me so that I check that the translation is OK and depending on my free-time I can also check if I find some bugs.

I used to work with Samsung France and Korea and also helped them with testing and bugs reports on DAPs.

I just did a first battery benchmark last night.
- No EQ
- Low Gain
- Display ON for about 2 minutes
- Volume 20/60 with IEM loaded
- Standard play mode (no shuffle)

It played 130 files:

6 FLAC 16/44 (5%)
1 FLAC 24/96 (1%)
10 MP3 CBR 320k (8%)
50 MP3 VBR V0 (38%)
43 MP3 CBR 192k (33%)
5 MP3 VBR 160k (4%)
9 MP3 CBR 128k (7%)
6 WMA CBR 128k (5%)

=> 9,5 hours

I'll try again tonight. Maybe the battery will be better calibrated and we'll get a better result!

edit: 2nd battery benchmark gives exactly the same result. I was expecting at least 10 hours with MP3 files. That's a bit disappointing.

edit2: My full review with some pictures (in French, not in English) http://www.tellementnomade.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&p=481279