H340 vs Fuze vs Fuze+ vs Clip Zip vs Clip+

[saratoga]

My s3 behaves exactly the way i told you. God knows, my s3 might have been broken from factory, but this opinion is not only mine. Thousands of other s3 users that took their time to search the web and actually post it said that it actually sounds bad.

Seeing as they sold ~50 million, if a couple thousand thought it sounded bad, then that would be < 0.01% of people, which is actually pretty good.  I'd expect at least a couple percent of people to be completely wrong about almost anything. 

I can't see how what they say about the sound can be true. Especially the noise level. It's damn noisy.

Measure it yourself?  I'd be surprised if they're wrong here though.  Its been a long time since there was any difference between typical devices.  If they'd found a difference, then I'd want someone to double check. 

Really, best sounding player i've heard so far is the nexus s with modded kernel.

No.

So which has the best SQ, ruggedness and price ratio?

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This has already been answered two or three times.  See above. 

[[Saint]]

I suppose that by android handsets you mean phones. Yes, i am definitely familiar. I  love my s3. It produces decent audio with modded kernel and levels not too high. Definitely manageable. Yet, i want a separate player, dedicated to playing music, such as the ones in question. Also, rockbox. You can't install rockbox to android just yet.

I was referring to Android handsets, Samsung in particular, alluding to their terrible build quality.

Regarding Android on Rockbox, that is simply and plainly untrue, I'm afraid. I am unsure what lead you to this conclusion, but it is quite simply not true. We do in fact run on Android (with the exception of the 5.x branch of the ART runtime, which accounts for less than 0.2% of all activated Android handsets to date) and have done so for many years now.

Regarding your statements about sound quality, this is going to be very hard for us to address, as many of us strive for accurate reproduction, and this doesn't seem to be anything you're interested in. We measure "good" sound quality by how faithfully the original samples are reproduced, and as saratoga stated, it is accurate to 15 bits, which is more than enough for faithful reproduction for almost all mass market media. Most 16 bit media doesn't use all the available headroom and can be reproduced with complete accuracy in 15 bits or less.

I, too, do not want to start an argument. I am simply attempting to point out that your views on sound quality and ours seem to differ rather greatly. We (generally speaking) want accurate reproduction, not artificially coloured sound.


[Saint]

[brlmat]

Can we drop this s3 thing ? I accept the fact that i may be wrong. I might have gotten a s3 from a bad batch. Mine sounds pretty bad, but i managed to tweak it to sound decent. Noise level is very high but it has an auto mute feature if there's no audio playing which may have lead to the low noise ratings. Anyway, it is really not the point of the thread.

The nexus s is known for it's dac and honestly, it sounds pretty good even before tweaking. I've seen people tweak it and using it as a hi-fi player. Anyway, again, not the point of the thread.

My question about the SQ, ruggedness and price ratio hasn't been really directly answered. Yes, i have been told that they all sound good, h340 is decently rugged, sansa series is ok  and that their price is a bit high. The h340 seems to be a pretty good competitor especially because of the price and condition it is in. Also, i've been reading a lot about players lately and came to the conclusion that the h340 is pretty good for what i need.

What do i want from this player as far as SQ is concerned: good sound space, clear trebles, separation of instruments, low noise andlow distortion. Everything else can be corrected by a fair amount. The iPod for example does a pretty good job at this but i'd like to move away from it due to the condition i can get it in. The other players are in good condion, h340 being in the best one.

Regarding the rockbox on android, that's what i've seen on the rockbox webpage. It's listed as unstable port. Didn't dig in because i didn't care too much.

Don't get me wrong, i really appreciate your input. I don't consider myself as a know it all kind of guy. I mean, that's why i asked you.

Sooo, in conclusion, is a h340 a solid competitor and a good choice? Should i reconsider the iPod? Is the sansa series better than i think it is? Better than the h340 or ipod for what i'm looking for ?

[saratoga]

The nexus s is known for it's dac

You should probably ignore people who judge devices by their DAC.

My question about the SQ, ruggedness and price ratio hasn't been really directly answered. Yes, i have been told that they all sound good, h340 is decently rugged, sansa series is ok  and that their price is a bit high.

I don't know why you think that, at least I would not have come to that conclusion if I were reading this thread. 

[brlmat]

I don't know why you think that, at least I would not have come to that conclusion if I were reading this thread.

Ok, i might be retarded. Would you be so kind to sum it up? Otherwise we are talking apples, cars and skyscrapers.

[[Saint]]

I don't know why you think that, at least I would not have come to that conclusion if I were reading this thread.

Ok, i might be retarded. Would you be so kind to sum it up? Otherwise we are talking apples, cars and skyscrapers.

I am honestly completely unsure why you consider this to be unanswered. You have even answered your own question in your previous post, despite claiming otherwise, you then state the complete opposite:

My question about the SQ, ruggedness and price ratio hasn't been really directly answered.

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Yes, i have been told that they all sound good, h340 is decently rugged, sansa series is ok  and that their price is a bit high.

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It honestly seems to me that you have already made up your mind and you just want someone to validate it, but being given objective experience based answers seemed to confuse you and apparently wasn't what you actually wanted.


[Saint]

[brlmat]

No, i haven't made up my mind. I'm just trying to find out which one is the best one i should get. H340, fuze and ipod video are the affordable options. I don't know which one to get and whether i should make the jump to the clip.