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H340 vs Fuze vs Fuze+ vs Clip Zip vs Clip+
brlmat:
I won't be doing any kind of recording. Form factor is not a problem and i won't be carrying more than say 30 gigs of music (currently 10 gigs).
I suppose that by android handsets you mean phones. Yes, i am definitely familiar. I love my s3. It produces decent audio with modded kernel and levels not too high. Definitely manageable. Yet, i want a separate player, dedicated to playing music, such as the ones in question. Also, rockbox. You can't install rockbox to android just yet.
What i need is sound quality and ruggedness. Keep in mind, i managed to destroy my iPod Video (in Apple's defense, i have dropped it, stepped on it, all by mistake, and the plastic front lost it's clips long time ago due to heavily opening the ipod for changing the battery.). By destroy i mean that the motherboard is dead, otherwise everything is tested and functional.
From what you are telling me, it's either the ipod, the h340 or the sandisk players with bubble wrap around them.
I have found the iPod a bit thin sounding at first, but i managed to tune it to my ears using the graphic eq and a few days of listening and tweaking. Needless to say, i have to redo all that as i have no note of the settings. Do the other players have a better dac?
saratoga:
--- Quote from: brlmat on January 11, 2015, 04:58:38 PM ---What i need is sound quality and ruggedness.
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Just to be clear, all modern devices are going to sound the same as your S3. Its only older devices like the H340 and iPod Video that might not be limited be 16 bit audio when driving normal headphones (exotic ones might be different).
--- Quote from: brlmat on January 11, 2015, 04:58:38 PM ---From what you are telling me, it's either the ipod, the h340 or the sandisk players with bubble wrap around them.
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You drop most sandisk players all day and it won't matter. They weigh too little to be damaged by falling and have no moving parts anyway.
brlmat:
The stock s3 has awful sound. It sounds thin, analytical, relatively distorted at all levels, and lacks detail. By modding the kernel, you could implement certain tweaks that allow it to sound less distorted and more detailed. The thin and analytical sound can only be corrected using the eq. Unfortunately, the bass roll off is so strong with the s3 you have to compensate +8db if not more to reach a nice enough level. All this translates into high cpu usage and short listening times. Not to mention it hisses like hell.
How do the others compare to this?
Also, it's not about dropping the player, it's about falling on it. Shouldn't be a big problem tho since the small form factor of the sandisk series. The ipod and h340 look like the could withstand abuse (if the ipod case is intact, not as mine was)
saratoga:
--- Quote from: brlmat on January 11, 2015, 05:18:42 PM ---The stock s3 has awful sound.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9300_galaxy_s_iii-review-761p8.php
Accurate to about 15 bits. Hard to do much better than that for 16 bit audio. If you have a problem, its not the phone.
--- Quote from: brlmat on January 11, 2015, 05:18:42 PM ---By modding the kernel, you could implement certain tweaks that allow it to sound less distorted and more detailed.
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No you can't.
--- Quote from: brlmat on January 11, 2015, 05:18:42 PM ---Unfortunately, the bass roll off is so strong with the s3 you have to compensate +8db if not more to reach a nice enough level. All this translates into high cpu usage and short listening times. Not to mention it hisses like hell.
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Ignoring that it doesn't have any bass roll off, if you actually apply +8dB gain without a similar amount of precut, yes I would expect to hear a lot of distortion.
brlmat:
Of course it's precut. Also, my headphones have a bit of bass roll off so i am compensating for that too. I am estimating +5db should suffice if perfectly flat headphones are used.
My s3 behaves exactly the way i told you. God knows, my s3 might have been broken from factory, but this opinion is not only mine. Thousands of other s3 users that took their time to search the web and actually post it said that it actually sounds bad. Really, best sounding player i've heard so far is the nexus s with modded kernel. It's on par with a rockboxed ipod. I've had them both at the same time and i compared them.
Anyway, i don't want to start an argument about phones and such. Believe me if you want to. If not, that's ok, everybody has their own opinion. And honestly, i am not trusting gsm arena with anything else than phone specs and camera comparison. I can't see how what they say about the sound can be true. Especially the noise level. It's damn noisy.
So back on topic.
--- Quote ---Fuze 4gb with usb cable, lightly scratched, for 26 usd
Fuze 8gb without usb cable, lightly scratched, for 35 usd
H340 with usb cable and wall charger, no scratches, for 40 usd
Ipod 5G 80gb (so 5.5G) without usb cable, for 40 usd.
So which has the best SQ, ruggedness and price ratio?
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