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What's the future for rockbox ?
steak:
--- Quote from: [Saint] on November 05, 2014, 09:09:43 PM ---Its really hard to not read this as "Rockbox is dying, and I want everyone but me to do something about it because I can't or don't want to learn how".
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I can see your point and yet is it so hard to not read it as something else too ?? [Pamaury] and [Wodz] did... On the other hand... I (think I) can't learn how or so I dont want to... but I have read your reply to my other post where you are making an effort to change my mind : I'd be an idiot to not consider it !! (I will answer to it as well later)
--- Quote from: [Saint] on November 05, 2014, 09:09:43 PM ---And I would really love to be able to just simply ignore this, but I cannot:
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I thought you might, wondered if you would and o be honest again, I wished you did not : I felt insulted at the time and frustrated not to be allowed to answer but now I can. And I will, if you allow me to send you as a PM. Clearly I think you are wrong about a few things but I don't see the benefit for others to put it down here
--- Quote from: [Saint] on November 05, 2014, 09:09:43 PM ---Regarding needing a "Master Plan", what we actually need, is boots on the ground (or fingers at keyboards, rather). Its all very well to come up with a plan, but without anyone willing to implement it, its a complete waste.
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Oh well... Given your nickname, I would have thought you'd like the Almighty Word. My plan is to :
> answer to user 's questions on the mailing list, which I do when I feel able to
> advise anyone to try rockbox on a usable target, which I do whenever I get the occasion,
> help translate the manual, which I don't and probably won't : rockbox translated menus are self explanatory down to a decent level, anyone wanting more advanced usage will probably understand english already. That assumption was confirmed by experience on every ocassion I met. Despite that years ago, I contributed to the menu or manual translation, I can't remember what. Something tiny but confusing.
--- Quote from: [Saint] on November 05, 2014, 09:09:43 PM ---Rockbox has never been a product, however. Its built by developers, for developers. If Joe Average gets a kick out of it, that's great, but they're not the target audience. There's no market. There's no advertising. It just is. If people want to use it, that's great. If they don't, that's great too. If they want to contribute...all the better.
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By developpers, yes of course : no devs, no Rockbox. For devs, yes again : who else is interested in making "stable" release including all plugins ? No advertising, thank you Devs ! No market, no profit, no break-even point, that's why rockbox is so feature full. Whatever you say.
Besides... if it was just for devs, why would it be available for any user. (not to mention the open forum). And what about the blind ? Not all of them use it, none have to but having a followed-up firmware is quite something for them I think. And how about music ? Could I be wrong assuming the love of music has motivated many developpers in their contributions ? (I'm sure some get greater motivation through the community project and so on...)
Mmmh... Let me give you an example : Research is done by scientist for scientist, if people want to read their work, that's great, if they don't that's great too but once their work comes out as something usable, once it IS USED, like a medicine or anything less important, is it still just "by scientists, for scientists" ? I say no and the same applies to Rockbox. Just like anything else Rockbox is what everyone makes out of it. No big deal about it, it's only a piece of code, but then much simpler things can be more than you'd expect. I read a post that you wrote about the great challenge it can be for those who learn how to compile their own build. I know what you mean and you are surely right. However if I was able to do that, I'd be more interested by the result than by the challenge. Not that it's nothing, just because Rockbox is just a tool helping me to enjoy music, one of my actual passions. The best tool in its portable field. So far. Period.
Cheers.
steak:
--- Quote from: wodz on November 05, 2014, 12:23:17 PM ---Android developers are different creatures. They live in javaish object oriented world while we are old school devs fighting for performance and resource usage. This two worlds doesn't have much in common.
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That and the "no product" / "no market" makes it clearer why the project does not easily attract developpers, despite its actual assets
--- Quote from: wodz on November 05, 2014, 12:23:17 PM ---The only possible marriage would be rockbox as lib with native android ui. The problem is that there is only one folk working in this direction and his time is very very limited.
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"lib with native android ui" : ok, whatever that means, doesn't that have more in common with Android world ?
steak:
And how about other smartphone OS ? Windows phone ? Mozilla Phone ? Does the fact that Rockbox is a community project interfere with the developpment of an app in any of these environments (or whatever you call them) ?
Boots on the ground, fingers on the kbd, only wondering "What's the future for rockbox ?"
saratoga:
--- Quote from: steak on November 06, 2014, 11:47:46 AM ---And how about other smartphone OS ? Windows phone ? Mozilla Phone ?
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These are at least as dead platforms as Rockbox :)
If you want to do mobile, Android makes by far the most sense. But porting a complex operating system into a smartphone app is not trivial, and of course we aren't Java which is annoying to Android developers. Probably the best way would be to break out parts of rockbox into a native Java app.
--- Quote from: steak on November 06, 2014, 11:47:46 AM --- Does the fact that Rockbox is a community project interfere with the developpment of an app in any of these environments (or whatever you call them) ?
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No, of course not. You can do whatever you like with the source code.
steak:
--- Quote from: saratoga on November 06, 2014, 11:58:06 AM ---
--- Quote from: steak on November 06, 2014, 11:47:46 AM ---And how about other smartphone OS ? Windows phone ? Mozilla Phone ?
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These are at least as dead platforms as Rockbox :)
Android makes by far the most sense
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Who can tell ? Remember Psion, Palm, Symbian, Blackberry,... Yes Android & Apple rule but ???
--- Quote from: saratoga on November 06, 2014, 11:58:06 AM ---If you want to do mobile, .../...
No, of course not. You can do whatever you like with the source code.
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If only !!! Alas I'm not a developper
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