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iPod Classic 6G 160GB (2007): Questions about patches - experimental mods
saratoga:
We don't host them on the tracker, but they're still pretty widely used with git (and gerrit provides you with .patch file if you want it).
X-Tech:
Hello,
thanks for your notes. I have some reactions and new questions.
a/ Rockbox is perfect, amazing piece of softwrae - no doubt! But what interferes me a bit is that iPod under Rockbox is not full functional (started) in just ONE second as with original Apple OS. This is famous feature for Apple devices. I have to say that this is gorgeous feature from Apple. I wish there is no boot, no waitting with Rockbox as well!
b/ speaking about performance. I did not use iPod with original firmware very long. But i have a feeling that under Rockbox disk activity is more busy. So is this just an illussion? I know that iPod under original FW from Apple use 60MB cache to preload content so the disk spin up less. How does it work with Rockbox, especially this management and feture, please?
I am not a specialist about that and maybe i am wrong but maybe it is beacuse Rockbox is recorded on hard disk, not in flash partition of iPod (probably this could be a reson why ONE second starting process is not possible).
c/ about patches. What did you mean with this "Git", please? I specifically asked about those patches:
- crc.patch.20140326
- ipod6g-powermgmt.patch.20140326
- utf8.patch.20140326
I found them together with one experimental kit. They are built by aroldan and Cástor Muñoz.
I am HIGHLY interested in this patch: ipod6g-powermgmt.patch.20140326 beacuse it deals with hard drive activity. Author claims that this patch lower disk activity! (http://www.head-fi.org/t/532426/ipod-classic-rockbox-its-happening/1350). All is described here on this webpage in this very nice article (section 'Installation'): http://www.head-fi.org/t/532426/ipod-classic-rockbox-its-happening.
The kit that contains those/this patch is also mentioned on this page through this link https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b5xbw6cp4ikfxwn/MjELjmDNJ_. The exact kit with patches is here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b5xbw6cp4ikfxwn/AAAIMuTOM4XZtvC6RK1mXz0Oa/rockbox-ipod6g-9cb9f76M-140326.zip?dl=0 (rockbox-ipod6g-9cb9f76M-140326.zip | 3.75 MB | 5 months ago)
I wrote to authors, yes (they are mentioned in 'Credits' on this head-fi article "iPod Classic - Rockbox: It is happening"), but no replies yet.
Well, do you have some experiences with those patches or at least with this power management patch?! How do i install them, and where? I have no clue how to install .patch files.
d/ i would like to back up my settings from my iPod. Where they are located in Rockbox?
e/ can i delete Themes from .rockbox folder on PC directly from a folder or do i need some special technique? I ask because there are .wps and .sbs files related to themes in different position of Settings keys (so there are not just .cfg files).
f/ about games. Well, it seems that most of them works, i guess those simple ones as "Rockblox" (anyway i can't check them all, there are too many of them). But i tried "Doom" game and it get stack on "Starting graphic engine". I did wait for two minutes and nothing happened, just black screen with this sentence. And no button is functional - it looks like freezed. I had to use hard restart (Menu+Select). So there is some bug i guess.
And speaking about games.. what i did like on original Apple FW was the game called "Vortex". Is available also for Rockbox?
g/ can i change boot image? Where to do it, please?
h/ about incompatibilities of Rockbox with Classic. Ok, i understand that "unstable" is equivalent "uncomfortable", right? It just means that user need to use a bit unconvenient way to run Rockbox with Classic. Am i right?
Boot support, recording, or support for apple accessories - they are the onliest incompactibilities with Classic, is that true?
Thanks for answers;)
XT
saratoga:
--- Quote from: X-Tech on August 31, 2014, 07:39:22 PM --- I know that iPod under original FW from Apple use 60MB cache to preload content so the disk spin up less. How does it work with Rockbox, especially this management and feture, please?
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Rockbox works the same way.
--- Quote from: X-Tech on August 31, 2014, 07:39:22 PM ---Well, do you have some experiences with those patches or at least with this power management patch?! How do i install them, and where? I have no clue how to install .patch files.
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As I said before, if you downloaded them with a build, then they're already installed. No one is going to put random source code in with a build.
--- Quote from: X-Tech on August 31, 2014, 07:39:22 PM ---d/ i would like to back up my settings from my iPod. Where they are located in Rockbox?
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config.cfg in the .rockbox folder.
You can just delete themes you don't want from your PC file browser.
--- Quote from: X-Tech on August 31, 2014, 07:39:22 PM ---f/ about games. Well, it seems that most of them works, i guess those simple ones as "Rockblox" (anyway i can't check them all, there are too many of them). But i tried "Doom" game and it get stack on "Starting graphic engine". I did wait for two minutes and nothing happened, just black screen with this sentence. And no button is functional - it looks like freezed. I had to use hard restart (Menu+Select). So there is some bug i guess.
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Yes this is a known issue. The timer doom needs is not implemented on the 6G yet.
--- Quote from: X-Tech on August 31, 2014, 07:39:22 PM ---And speaking about games.. what i did like on original Apple FW was the game called "Vortex". Is available also for Rockbox?
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No, just the games that are included with the build.
--- Quote from: X-Tech on August 31, 2014, 07:39:22 PM ---g/ can i change boot image? Where to do it, please?
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You can download the source code and change any images you like.
--- Quote from: X-Tech on August 31, 2014, 07:39:22 PM ---h/ about incompatibilities of Rockbox with Classic. Ok, i understand that "unstable" is equivalent "uncomfortable", right?
--- End quote ---
Note that we consider the 6G "unusable", not "unstable", because its complex to install and various things do not work yet. You can find more information about what devices are classified how and why on the front page of this website.
[Saint]:
--- Quote from: X-Tech on August 31, 2014, 07:39:22 PM ---...what interferes me a bit is that iPod under Rockbox is not full functional (started) in just ONE second as with original Apple OS. This is famous feature for Apple devices. I have to say that this is gorgeous feature from Apple. I wish there is no boot, no waitting with Rockbox as well!
--- End quote ---
Apple does this in a very tricky way that you probably haven't noticed.
Instead of actually powering the device down, like Rockbox does, they simply hibernate the device. When you see it "booting" so quickly, its because its not /actually/ booting at all, just waking from a suspended state.
However, the iPod *will* still power the device down if it is hibernated for a long period of time, and when it does, the boot time is very comparable to that of Rockbox. With Rockbox, we prefer the battery to be used for useful things, like playing audio, rather than keeping the device hibernated in order to save a very marginal amount (~1s) off the total boot time.
I feel I should also note that in terms of support and any issues you may have, you're largely on your own.
You're using a (truly ancient) modified build, of an unusable target. A target which we offer no supported means of installation for.
[Saint]
X-Tech:
Thanks for reactions. Yes, i mismatched terms - i meant "unusable". This is something really different from "unstable";)
Well, again, I have some more questions..
c/ i would like to know more about patches - technics how to install them separately. The point is that i installed typical build, not this experimental one! And as you can see inside of this experimental build patches are seperately - i guess they must be installed seperately: they are not involved inside of this builf. Check this rar: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b5xbw6cp4ikfxwn/AAAIMuTOM4XZtvC6RK1mXz0Oa/rockbox-ipod6g-9cb9f76M-140326.zip?dl=0 - the patches are in separate folder. So my question is if i can install those patches separately for my build and HOW. I ask mainly about those patches:
- crc.patch.20140326
- ipod6g-powermgmt.patch.20140326
- utf8.patch.20140326
Can you help, please?
e/ about deleting themes. If i delete .cfg files in "Themes" folder does it mean that other files (.wps and .sbs) related to themes in '.rockbox' root folder will disapear?
Is there some manager utility to maintain installed themes, fonts, languages, games and other plugins? I thought that this job will manage RockboxUtility but this programme is not managing these things. Is there something i can use for managing my iPod?
g/ how do i change boot image? Sorry, i have no clue how to make it with source code. How?
i/ i would like to ask also about settings of emCORE. Most of Settings i understand. Anyway i would like to understand more features involved in emCORE Tool menu. Is there some manual?
I am curios what is for "emCORE Console" and some emCORE Tools as "Run UMSboot", "Run Fallback image", "Clear Rockbox configuration", "Clear Rockbox database".
j/ ok, i respect that Rockbox goes with different way and shuts down iPod completely. There is something good about that instead of 'deep sleep' and one second start made by Apple. Thanks for your note about that. Anyway in emCORE Settings i found a choice "Fastboot action". I have it disabled. Well, what will happen if i choose 'Enabled'. Will i get 'deep sleep' boot mode?
k/ i would like to ask about update of Rockbox. Can i do it manually, can i easily copy new build over the existing one (i.e. '.rockbox' folder over '.rockbox' folder)?
l/ is there some way to move Rockbox ('.rockbox') to internal flash partition to boost the overall iPod performance?
m/ i noticed some problem with charge status. When i plug my iPod to PC via original cable to high power USB port iPod do not show anything. I thought it will show automated charging screen where i can check charging status. But nothing is shown. I do not even know if my iPod is under charging process. When i start iPod then it seems that is charged. Well, how about that? If i want to charge it i have to start up my iPod?
And i also did note that battery icon is not "giffed" as on every phone example. Is there any way to fix all these matters, please?
Thanks for reactions.
XT
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