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luisdent:
I'm considering buying this: http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-MicroSDXC-Memory-Adapter/dp/B00IIJ6W4S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400714405&sr=8-1&keywords=128gb+micro+sdxc for my zip clip and/or fuze v2.

I'm using a 64gb currently with no major issues, but I do sometimes initialize the database and things are missing that are on the card. Even after reinstalling rockbox completely. Odd. But I can still play those files manually with the player "file" list view.

Anyway, has anyone used this 128gb card? From what I understand, saratoga said it should work, but how large is a database file? Will it still initialize properly if the card is pretty full? How long might that take? Should I get it?! :-)

I want to cary two 128gb+ sansa players!

[Saint]:

--- Quote from: luisdent on May 21, 2014, 07:24:22 PM ---From what I understand, saratoga said it should work, but how large is a database file? Will it still initialize properly if the card is pretty full?

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Its irrelevant how large the database is, because it is stored on the internal storage, not the removable storage.
Go nuts, fill it if you want.



--- Quote from: luisdent on May 21, 2014, 07:24:22 PM ---How long might that take?

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Possibly several minutes for the initial scan, a matter of seconds for subsequent scans.



--- Quote from: luisdent on May 21, 2014, 07:24:22 PM ---Should I get it?! :-)

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Considering the extreme cost and the fact that you can purchase a player that is considerably more robust, of better build quality, and has a larger capacity, for considerably less....I wouldn't, but, I'm not you - and neither is anyone else - so this is for you to answer.


[Saint]

luisdent:
$40 for a zip clip with superb sound quality and $120 for a 128gb card. That's only $160.

What player has even close to that space, better build quality and less money? No player exists that meets those requirements on the entire planet. :-P hehe

The only players that even have more than 64gb of space are physically large and extremely expensive and not really better in any way either. If you know of something I don't, please fill me in.

Also, the database needs to be stored on the external card or the internal player storage, but either way it takes up space. As I fill both storage areas completely with music, I'd like to know how big it is so that I can leave ample space for it to work properly. Is there a file I can look at now to check my current database size? I assume it will scale somewhat linearly with more music in terms of size? In other words, twice the music in the database would make it twice as big roughly?

[Saint]:
You can pick up a 160GB iPod Classic for ~$100 in pretty much any locale. Which is arguably better in every way.
An iPod Video with an aftermarket 240GB HDD doesn't come in considerably more expensive either.

The iPod(s) is/are physically larger, sure, but they have an LCD that was actually worth including on a device, and don't feel like a McDonalds Happy Meal toy, being very well made. For instance there's no power switch to eventually break, no dinky plastic casing, and the device doesn't feel like its going to break if you look at it the wrong way.

Also - do keep in mind that if you fill the volume entirely, if you ever have to defragment the volume it will either a: take *ages* to complete, or b: not actually be able to complete at all. Generally speaking you'll want ~10% free on each storage volume to allow for the OS to grow/save configuration files, etc.


[Saint]

luisdent:

--- Quote from: [Saint] on May 23, 2014, 09:18:56 PM ---You can pick up a 160GB iPod Classic for ~$100 in pretty much any locale. Which is arguably better in every way.
An iPod Video with an aftermarket 240GB HDD doesn't come in considerably more expensive either.

The iPod(s) is/are physically larger, sure, but they have an LCD that was actually worth including on a device, and don't feel like a McDonalds Happy Meal toy, being very well made. For instance there's no power switch to eventually break, no dinky plastic casing, and the device doesn't feel like its going to break if you look at it the wrong way.

Also - do keep in mind that if you fill the volume entirely, if you ever have to defragment the volume it will either a: take *ages* to complete, or b: not actually be able to complete at all. Generally speaking you'll want ~10% free on each storage volume to allow for the OS to grow/save configuration files, etc.


[Saint]

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You're argument is funny though, because you keep talking about the clip being "cheap" in construction. I love the classic. I had two. But despite me being more careful than anyone I know (I'm a server administrator and understand the toll moving takes on hard drives over time or on sudden impact), and my ipod drive failed slowly because I use it so much. The read/write lifespan of a flash drive like a clip is much longer for this type of use than a classic drive would typically last someone. So with all it's physical construction superiority, it fails above all from the drive. I've looked into an ssd replacement, but they're nothing simple, standard, affordable, etc.

Then there's the size. The ipod is o.k., but once you go clip you never go back. ;) haha I could do the fuze, but that's about it. The touch is ok because it's so thin, but it fails from being small storage and only touch based.

As for screen, It doesn't bother me personally. Resolution and screen quality are nice, and while the touch is very nice in this regard, I listen to music primarily on my clip and do other stuff on my ipod. I don't sit and watch my album art. So personally I don't find much benefit for that purpose. If it existed, that's a nice bonus. However, I never really miss having art on my zip. I use themes that don't even display art. And the text characters are more than enough, especially with adjusted scrolling speed and whatnot that it is just as efficient for me.

Anyway, the point is that for me personally the flash based durability far outweighs me EVER going back to a HD based player. I can drop my clip on the ground while using it and it's fine. Maybe scratched if you're unlucky, but it's light and reasonably durable. Drop a classic on teh ground and you're lucky if the drive isn't damaged. Even if a 250gb classic came out I'd be very hesitant to give up a 132gb sansa player for it. I value quality music listening above all else. For me the sansa players let me listen to music anywhere with comfort, sound quality, ease of use (without looking at the screen), portability (I like the clip), etc. I've yet to find another player to do any of this, let alone have 128+gb of storage with flash based memory. :-P

That's all I was saying. :-) So I find the classic better in almost no ways for me, and that used to be my favorite player. Take away the HD storage size, and it does nothing better for my usage type than a clip. And with the 128gb card, my clip is approaching stock classic storage. :-) But I want MORE storage. I'm talking 500gb flash baby! :-P I don't get the microsd card limitation on so many players! Even the clip is limited stock, yet rockbox works? What's up with that? Sandisk MAKES the darn microsd technology. Sheesh.

I'd gladly buy a fuze type player with four micro cd card slots and then gladly cough up $360-$480 (would wish it were cheaper though) for three to four 128gb cards. With the player, that is over 340gb-512gb. And a 64gb ipod touch is already $400. That would be awesome. An amazingly small player with insane microsd storage.:-P Or at LEAST a player with more internal storage. Say, 64gb and then add a 128gb card to that. But I think "most" people are typical users, and their statistics show they wouldn't use more than 16gb on a music player, because they're content with low bitrate mp3s. Blargh.

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