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What platform takes more advantage of Rockbox functionalities?
saratoga:
--- Quote from: Julian67 on April 09, 2014, 05:33:01 PM ---The line out is sufficiently better than the headphone out that using a decent external amp gives an audible improvement.
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Yes, but its worse than just getting a newer player and using the stock headphone output directly, making it completely useless with an amp . . .
Julian67:
No, it isn't "completely useless" with an amp. A really good quality line out into a good amp can't rationally be described as "completely useless". It might not always be the best or most convenient choice because a player is not just a line out or a headphone out. People also choose them on capacity, physical size and weight, appearance, branding, control interface, screen quality and size, repairability, battery life, ability to survive impacts/vibrations and so on.
A very good line out into a good amp is "worse than just getting a newer player and using the stock headphone output directly"? How so? Because you say so?
You make a series of contra-factual negative assertions about what is demonstrably a really good platform for Rockbox and, if line out is important, still one of the best portable players ever made. Despite the verifiable measurements showing (broadly) "very good to excellent" you assert "poor, average, worse, useless" and all without any kind of substantiation or fact.
Did someone from iRiver pee in your soup?
saratoga:
--- Quote from: Julian67 on April 09, 2014, 09:10:50 PM ---No, it isn't "completely useless" with an amp. A really good quality line out into a good amp can't rationally be described as "completely useless".
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You said you'd choose the H1x0 as a line out device with an amp "everytime". But this is pointless, you'd get better quality just using the headphone output without the need to carry a whole extra on a lot of newer devices.
--- Quote from: Julian67 on April 09, 2014, 09:10:50 PM ---A very good line out into a good amp is "worse than just getting a newer player and using the stock headphone output directly"? How so?
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Lower quality output.
Julian67:
--- Quote from: saratoga ---You said you'd choose the H1x0 as a line out device with an amp "everytime". But this is pointless, you'd get better quality just using the headphone output without the need to carry a whole extra on a lot of newer devices.
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Perhaps you can move from assertion and into explanation and illustrate how to get better quality into an amp by using a headphone out that doesn't measure as well as the line out? Some facts or data would make a refreshing contrast to blunt assertion.
Why would anyone need to "carry a whole extra on a lot of newer devices"? An amp is not necessarily portable. Even many headphone amps are not portable. Most times I've used headphone amps they have been static, and most times I've used the line out of portable devices it has been into home amps and receivers and domestic radio/CD combos. Another typical use is into car audio systems. Nothing extra needs carrying except a cable. Even if someone does buy into that whole head-fi rubber strap and chunky cable thing it still isn't "a whole extra on a lot of newer devices", it would usually be one device of similar dimensions to a portable battery pack or similar (and the chunky S&M rubber band).
--- Quote from: saratoga ---Lower quality output.
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How do you arrive at asserting that the Hxx0 line out has "Lower quality output" when it measures very well indeed? Is your argument "because I say so"? Is your opinion or assertion somehow intrinsically more authoritative than other people's data?
The Hxx0 series have a really good line out. Even if you don't like me or don't like iRiver, the Hxx0 players still have a really good line out. For 16-bit audio their line out is still about as good as you will find on a portable device. The Hxx0 line out is not poor. It isn't useless. It isn't average. It isn't worse than the line out on extremely expensive portables 10 years newer than the H1x0.
Avoid kimchi, especially if you hear splashing sounds from the kitchen and the waiter stays to watch you eat.
saratoga:
--- Quote from: Julian67 on April 09, 2014, 10:50:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: saratoga ---You said you'd choose the H1x0 as a line out device with an amp "everytime". But this is pointless, you'd get better quality just using the headphone output without the need to carry a whole extra on a lot of newer devices.
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Perhaps you can move from assertion and into explanation and illustrate how to get better quality into an amp by using a headphone out that doesn't measure as well as the line out? Some facts or data would make a refreshing contrast to blunt assertion.
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http://outpost.fr/rmaa/iPod_Classic-D2000.htm
--- Quote from: Julian67 on April 09, 2014, 10:50:31 PM ---Even if you don't like me or don't like iRiver, the Hxx0 players still have a really good line out.
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I think you need to calm down and stop taking people disagreeing with you so personally.
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