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Offline Astrogoth

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Audiophile Build
« on: March 25, 2014, 06:04:20 PM »


No extra features, games, fonts, languages, voice, backgrounds, rarely used CODECs, older database files, OF leftovers etc etc. No files that aren't necessary to play music well. Save internal memory space to improve playback. 
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Offline saratoga

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Re: Audiophile Build
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2014, 06:16:30 PM »
Quote from: Astrogoth on March 25, 2014, 06:04:20 PM
No extra features, games, fonts, languages, voice, backgrounds, rarely used CODECs, older database files, OF leftovers etc etc.

Many of those things aren't included in the main build, and if you dislike the others you can simply delete them.

Quote from: Astrogoth on March 25, 2014, 06:04:20 PM
No files that aren't necessary to play music well. Save internal memory space to improve playback.

The entire install is about 6-8 MB depending on the target, so the maximum disk space savings is extremely small.  If you are worried about trying to fit an extra 3 minutes of MP3 file on your player, you should just get one with more storage. 
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Offline [Saint]

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Re: Audiophile Build
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2014, 08:10:26 PM »
I can't help but notice that in an "Audiophile Build", you only want to make aesthetic and and minor functional changes (and also completely ruin functionality for the visually impaired, but, hey).


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Re: Audiophile Build
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2014, 04:05:09 PM »
Quote from: Astrogoth on March 25, 2014, 06:04:20 PM
Save internal memory space to improve playback.

Having any more or less space taken up will make absolutely no difference to playback whatsoever.  None, nada, zero, etc.
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Offline Astrogoth

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Re: Audiophile Build
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2014, 11:25:44 PM »
Quote from: AlexP on March 26, 2014, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: Astrogoth on March 25, 2014, 06:04:20 PM
Save internal memory space to improve playback.

Having any more or less space taken up will make absolutely no difference to playback whatsoever.  None, nada, zero, etc.

Even if you're playing larger FLAC files?

Pardon me for saying this but sometimes it seems like you guys have lost track of the basic reason for Rockbox to exist. To play music as well as it can. All the extras and rare players you support are cool and all but they don't help that. Granted I know next to nothing about this stuff so I may be wrong but wouldn't a stripped down build work faster and play larger files better? I didn't put RB on my ZIP to play Doom or watch the screensaver. Music. That's all.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2014, 11:33:44 PM by Astrogoth »
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Offline saratoga

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Re: Audiophile Build
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2014, 11:44:11 PM »
Quote from: Astrogoth on March 27, 2014, 11:25:44 PM
Quote from: AlexP on March 26, 2014, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: Astrogoth on March 25, 2014, 06:04:20 PM
Save internal memory space to improve playback.

Having any more or less space taken up will make absolutely no difference to playback whatsoever.  None, nada, zero, etc.

Even if you're playing larger FLAC files?

Before saying something stupid like this, I suggest calculating how many additional seconds of FLAC you will be able to fit. Its probably on the order of 10 or 15 seconds at most.  Like I said above, you're welcome to do this, but its kind of ridiculous, so don't expect other people to be interested.

Quote from: Astrogoth on March 27, 2014, 11:25:44 PM
Granted I know next to nothing about this stuff so I may be wrong but wouldn't a stripped down build work faster and play larger files better?

No, that is now how this stuff works. 

Quote from: Astrogoth on March 27, 2014, 11:25:44 PM
I didn't put RB on my ZIP to play Doom or watch the screensaver. Music. That's all.

Then delete it?  Seriously, doom is 400kb.  If you want that space back, you don't need to post on the internet to delete it. 
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Re: Audiophile Build
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2014, 11:17:21 PM »
Quote from: Astrogoth on March 27, 2014, 11:25:44 PM
Granted I know next to nothing about this stuff so I may be wrong but wouldn't a stripped down build work faster and play larger files better?

After thinking this to yourself, before applying finger to keyboard, it may have been a safer bet to take the words of advice that the experienced staff and developers had given you.

Doom is a hilariously bad example to bring up for this case.

Rockdoom.rock is *tiny*, and the necessary .wad files that are required to play it aren't even included by default - you need to have specifically added them. If you don't use it, then...don't.

If you don't use the plugins, then remove the Plugins item from your main menu and forget they exist. Removing them would have two effects:

1 - The primary effect is you are now using an unsupported build, and any problems you experience become your own unless they are reproducible on a current, clean, official build.
2 - You save a *massive* ~800kb - not as much as you thought, I'm guessing. Hardly worth it for a few seconds of .FLAC

Free disk space is meaningless to playback. What does matter is RAM and CPU utilization, removing plugins won't help with either of those things at all.

Why not try asking us about things that *can* improve your experience instead of speculating about things that you think /might/ improve it?


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Re: Audiophile Build
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2014, 02:45:51 PM »
Sorry, guys. It seems to me that you didn't get Astrogoth's point right.
It should be immediately obvious, when you see the (code) word "Audiophile".

You know, "Audiophiles" are very, very, very special and rare breed of people. If something is working good, sounds perfect etc. it is just not good enough. For something to be considered "Audiophile"-worthy, it should be extremely rare, expensive, tuned in some way, and most important of all - labeled with large letters "Audiophile Edition".

So, you can put a high price for your ordinary (and free) RockBox release, label it "RockBox Audiophile Edition", and all the "Audiophiles" will be completely satisfied.

 :D :D :D

P.S. Please, I intend absolutely no offense to anyone. I am including a large amount of self-irony, as a former "Audiophile", who is now working for more than 15 years as a professional soundengineer. Believe me, now I just want to listen to nice music, and know that "Audiophile" means really nothing.

Take care!
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« Last Edit: April 12, 2014, 02:50:47 PM by milpop »
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Offline Serenity

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Re: Audiophile Build
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2014, 04:35:40 AM »
I bet someone would buy an "Audiophile Edition" of Rockbox.

I'd love to consider myself an audiophile, but due to excessive tinnitus, I simply can't. But I really love music, and I love how Rockbox operates.

Now my brother I would consider an audiophile, but for a different reason. He enjoys hearing how different media and equipment colour the music. He has a ton of equipment ranging from new to vintage and spends afternoons rewiring a few dozen different speakers into another dozen different amps in different combinations to hear how the sound changes. Then he'll spend hours listening to different music on his new setups and fiddling.  He can tell you which amp works best with which speakers, how the music sounds compared to other combinations and what his current favourite is.

He's not interested in any sort of audio purity, he just enjoys the variety. And he also loves Rockbox.
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Re: Audiophile Build
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2014, 01:35:49 PM »
He's probably one of those people who run jPlay in "hybernation mode" so that nothing "interferes" with playback…
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Offline RowaN

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Re: Audiophile Build
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2014, 07:39:40 PM »
Asking for an audiophile build of Rockbox is like asking for a skinny version of diet coke?
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