Risks relating to iPod charging from wall socket.

[kamalneet]

sorry fella's for a late reply my mom had a minor cardiac arrest probs , well i was to continue that the dc/dc ate up the entire battery to dead while being in standby on apple firmware all night long ,actually ipod was in so bad shape that i needed to disconect battery from the board after its usage , so now i am using NOKIA  BL - 5C ,battery or even siemens sx1 battery can be used too , only thing is you have to connect red(of ipod battery wire) to positive and black to negative of these batteries ,it also assumably shows approx voltage indication ,my ipod is working fine ,i only face a major problem when i have to use USB data transfer ,during which ipod hangs due to over heating dc/dc chip and i have to reformat it using restore utility from apple to avoid disk corruption , i also take off battery plug from the board after usgae is complete just to avoid full battery draining in off or standby mode

[asterix2112]

Lloren, I beg to differ about the iPod with Rockbox not entering the rebooting cycle until after 48 hours.  I just got my external apple usb charger.  Plugged the cable into it and it into the wall.  then I just plugged it into the iPod.  Started the re-boot cycle immediately.  Yes, when I held the menu button down it worked fine, but I just am darn thankful I read all these forums BEFORE I got my wall charger... 

- John

[Llorean]

I said it won't enter the Reboot cycle for 48 hours IF you're in the Apple firmware.

Please, read thoroughly what I say.

[johnyparko]

so.. how will we know if our ipod has been "bricked" due to irresponsible charging practices???

Will the ipod just be really hot or is there some sign that we should look for?  This stuff is scaring me, maybe I should just wait til Nov. when it comes out :\

Thanks in advance

JP

[linuxstb]

The original poster has said in another thread that the damage to his ipod was caused by a faulty charger, not the constant rebooting caused by Rockbox:

http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4783.0

However, this constant rebooting is obviously not a good thing, and we'll try to fix it.

It's only a problem when using the USB wall charger (not when using a firewire charger or when connecting via USB to a computer), and is easily avoided by either holding MENU in Rockbox as you insert the USB cable, manually forcing your ipod into disk mode before starting to charge (reboot, then immediately hold SELECT+PLAY), or booting into Apple's firmware.

The original poster's ipod only started to constantly reboot because he had hacked the original firmware to enter deep sleep after 15 minutes - and because the ipod was connected to power at the time, it immediately woke up and booted into Rockbox.  Rockbox (mis)detected a USB connection and then rebooted to disk mode.  But disk mode couldn't find a connected computer so rebooted again and the cycle continued...

[hellblazer112]

My Ipod Gets pretty hot too but it doesnt fry. I leave it on in rockbox all night cus if i turn it off(hold Play) and plug it in it restarts and also if i put the hold on when it is off it starts up.

[JBotAlan]

Gosh, I wish some of you guys would speak English--you know who you are...

Please correct me if I am wrong:
1) Charging from a wall charger will send the iPod into a reboot loop if "Menu" is not pressed while it is being plugged in, so make sure the "Menu" button is pressed while you plug in the wall charger.
2) Don't leave your iPod plugged into the wall charger for extended periods of time (more than a few days) after shutting down from Apple's firmware  because it will go into a reboot loop as soon as it goes into deep sleep.

I see no problem here, since I always shut my iPod off from Rockbox. Plus, I would never leave my iPod plugged into a wall charger for more than a night or so. However, I do see why some people would do so.

Just wanted to be clear on these points.
JBot

[SilleeString]

Gosh, I wish some of you guys would speak English--you know who you are...

For some it's not their first language, and being that this is a public site AND project you shouldn't really be saying that.  They're trying their best.

[Sportster]

Maybe there should be a thread stuck to the top of the forum if poss with info like this that could be damaging to the player. I had the rebooting deal happen to me with my new car charger and immediately shut it off,pulled it,and came here to see what the heck was going on. Found my answer but had to hunt around for it. I just installed RB on a friends pod and would hate to hear he damaged it somehow,ya know?

[Drkepilogue]

Hi, i just want to know:  Does it even charge when you plug the wall charger while in rockbox?  I did the hold menu while pluging in the cable thing, and it doesnt seems like it is charging...

[Atheistic Freedom]

I've charged it in Rockbox all night on some occasions when I was too lazy to revert back to the Apple OS; no problems.

[Drkepilogue]

Does anyone's ipod freeze while charing via wall charger?

[ZeRøB]

Why not make it like iPL? iPL solved it nicely, it ASKS you if you feel like going in Disk Mode. If you say 'No', or just don't replay, the iPod stays in it's state and just charges. I really though that Rockbox and iPL would have done a bit more communication effords to get rid of such minor issues like these...

[linuxstb]

Why not make it like iPL? iPL solved it nicely, it ASKS you if you feel like going in Disk Mode. If you say 'No', or just don't replay, the iPod stays in it's state and just charges. I really though that Rockbox and iPL would have done a bit more communication effords to get rid of such minor issues like these...

Holding a button to charge instead of entering USB mode is how Rockbox handled this situation before the ipod port, so that's how it's handled on the ipods - the ipods aren't the first devices Rockbox works on which have USB charging. 

But the main issue (as mentioned several times in this thread) is the fact that there is currently a bug in Rockbox's USB detection which means that it doesn't distinguish between a USB connection to a computer and a USB connection to a wall charger.

[the_winch]

Attached is a patch that will always charge when usb is inserted and never reboot. Bit usless/trivial to add to the patch tracker I think.
I use it because,
I charge once a day but hardly ever need to access the drive.
I occasionally charge using a bicycle hub dynamo and plugging it in while holding the button is no fun while riding.

I'm not sure why rockbox needs the button press to charge. IMO it makes more sense to do it the other way around as charging is a more common action. Perhaps it makes more sense on the other players that can be charged via usb.

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