Hi, two questions

[itzik]

not sure if it's the right forum, transfer if not, please 

1. I have a Clip Zip, if I install OK via the auto install wizard, is there any chance the device will be "bricken" ( ) ?
2. is there any way to install Rockbox and have OF the default one ie. having to press left in order for Rockbox to boot, but having OF boot if not pressed?

Thanks a lot 

[saratoga]

No and  no.

[[Saint]]

Number 2 is definitely not a "no", but - by default - it isn't a "yes" either.

You /could/ compile a bootloader with a reversed boot order yourself, but one won't be supplied for you.


[Saint]

[itzik]

Blah, wish I knew how to compile, programming-wise it shouldn't be a problem, just reversing some "top level" if function...

[saratoga]

The boot order on the AMS players is set in mkamsboot rather then the bootloader, and its complicated enough that you probably shouldn't try without a lot of assembly experience and a few spare players to brick.

So basically if you're asking on the forums the answer is no.

[itzik]

OK thanks, nice to know.


Also, consider changing your shit attitude guys, I'm not the only one here who got those arrogant ass programmer you-don't-know-shit responses. And what for? It's not like all of us are 8 year olds asking you to "implemnt doom 3 plz its a very good game!".
Personally I don't mind, already got my answers (which you do respond, that much is true),
But for future threads, just a suggestion here.

Thanks again!

[bluebrother]

Also, consider changing your shit attitude guys, I'm not the only one here who got those arrogant ass programmer you-don't-know-shit responses. And what for?

Can you please explain the "shit attitude" here? Messing with the bootloader is something that can easily brick your player. That's a fact. Nobody said you were unable to do that or too unexperienced. The only thing said was that you shouldn't try it if you don't have enough experience in that field. That's an advise, not an attitude. Since the risk of permanently bricking your player is really high you won't see any developer advise you to make such changes. After all these are the support forums, not development forums, and giving an advice that is risky is something that shouldn't be given in a support channel. You might not like that advise but that doesn't make it an attitude.

And for the record, I personally wouldn't do it myself without having access to (and a proven working setup of) development tools that allow me to salvage a broken system. Those development tools usually have a price tag in the range of thousands, and connecting it to a device assembled for an end user is at least problematic, if possible at all (since debugging connections might be missing or deactivated). And also for the record, I'm doing firmware / embedded development for a living.

[itzik]

No, not you, I'm talking about [Saint] and especially saratoga. And obviously in disregard to the bricking advise.

[Saint], you are helpful and matter-of-fact-clear-cut-like, and that was really helpful and I totally appreciate it, but why the "but one won't be supplied for you"?
Why assuming first I'm this "please do this and that, thx" guy? Maybe I did read the rules, maybe I just came asking something and not asking for something?
Again, we aren't always those guys, just please give the benefit of the doubt.
You don't have to, but you can, if you want to.

and saratoga, really?
"No and  no." ?
Gee, thanks, how informative.
And then this - "So basically if you're asking on the forums the answer is no."
Why being such an ass?
Thanks for the advise on the boot order, though. Helpful and yet super arrogant. Still thanks though.

[bluebrother]

[Saint], you are helpful and matter-of-fact-clear-cut-like, and that was really helpful and I totally appreciate it, but why the "but one won't be supplied for you"?
Why assuming first I'm this "please do this and that, thx" guy? Maybe I did read the rules, maybe I just came asking something and not asking for something?

And maybe you are not and the question he already answered would have been the next you would have asked? Or someone else reading this thread in a couple of days? So if you want to "give the benefit of doubt", why aren't you doing so? He's answering a question you *might* have asked. In the case you would have asked it you already got the answer and don't need to ask. If not what's the problem in simply ignoring the answer to the question you're not interested in?

and saratoga, really?
"No and  no." ?

What's your problem with this answer? You asked two questions that could be answered with either "yes" or "no". saratoga did exactly this. What kind of response do you expect if you ask a question this way? The answer is technically complete in itself, and it answers your question completely. Interesting that you don't like [Saint] giving additional information ...

And then this - "So basically if you're asking on the forums the answer is no."
Why being such an ass?

Why is it "being an ass" if he states (from experience) that there are no people in this forum around that would provide you the necessary binaries? It's a fact.

Thanks for the advise on the boot order, though. Helpful and yet super arrogant. Still thanks though.

Stating that something is dangerous and you shouldn't do it unless you exactly know what you're doing (and are aware of the consequences if things fail) is "arrogant" these days? Even "super arrogant"? Seriously?

Stating that you shouldn't do things that *can* brick your player unless you know what you're doing is sensible and appropriate in my book. There are coffee cups stating "Warning: content may be hot". Is that arrogant? Super arrogant? Especially since I expect a coffee to be hot if I buy it?

[saratoga]

He's just angry that he didn't get the answer he wanted. No sense arguing about it.

[itzik]

And maybe you are not and the question he already answered would have been the next you would have asked?

Wow, you totally missed the point. Maybe I am not?
Am I guilty before I was convicted? Will you put me in jail because I might kill someone?
so on, so forth, that's what the benefit of the doubt is, and it's a nice thing to have.

What's your problem with this answer? You asked two questions that could be answered with either "yes" or "no". saratoga did exactly this. What kind of response do you expect if you ask a question this way? The answer is technically complete in itself, and it answers your question completely.

That's not a legit answer in any way, because you can alter the code. Why do you just right-there assume I can't code so it's indefinite no?
I'm asking if there's a built in config, and if not than obviously it's codable. By no means it's just "no".

The rest is the same. Sure, it's sensible, just not very nice.

He's just angry that he didn't get the answer he wanted. No sense arguing about it.

Hmm... no.

[saratoga]

I'm not assuming anything. You are not able to make this happen.

And kill someone?  Time to calm down and take a break from the internet.