playlist FRUSTRATION

[lefticy]

OK after many attempts i have finally installed RB on my FUZE. i am a big IPOD hater and refuse to give up. and this is a last ditch attempt to do a very simple thing.
i use LINUX when ever possible. my OLD MP3 player was a dell dj.. i used GNOMAD2 to complete a very simple task of drag and drop the songs on to the DELL DJ then WITHIN the DJ to create the playlists. all this was done while connected to the PC. it took only 3 to 4 clicks of the mouse to complete.
i have read many posts and have tried the following programs ( linux based) to duplicate the tasks. banshee xmms rhythombox amrock  adacious and exaile. all failed.
i want to use the RB program because it is superior to the crap that sansa installed. the frustration is that a simple task should be simple. i do not have the time to MULTI click through menues ; with text that is smaller then legal disclaimers;  to generate a playlist. most of the posts i have read get into the TECHNO bable about file management / type.
i have discoverd the only way to duplicate the simple playlist is the following
1 connect and open the FUZE navigate to the section you want and create a folder that will become the playlist
2 navigate to the file/folder that has the music ( on my MicroSD card) and then drag and drop the song to the playlist
the problem with the above procedures is that it creates multiplu flies of the same song in different parts of the storage
nothing in the user manual nor on the net or forums describe this method.
if i have offenned anyone i am sorry.
i am just looking for a music manager that is simple to use.

[saratoga]

Not sure I understand what part of that was the question, but if you just want to make playlists, you can either use rockbox directly by saving the dynamic playsts it generates, or you can use almost any music player software that supports M3U (which virtually all do).  Just load tracks on the player into a playlist and then save as M3U (which is really just a text file containing a list of files to play). 

[lefticy]

thanks for replying to my post ...
i will explain it this way.. using gnomad2 with the mp3 player (DEL dj) connected to the PC ( ubuntu 12.04) i could drag and drop ( from different files and folders and external sources) the music into the player.. then make a playlist on the player using the gnomad2 interface . Gnomad2 is similar to itunes.  i forgot to mention that i do not want the music stored on my PC. i want all the management to take place on the mp3 player. (employer forbids the use of any PC to store personal files)

can anyone suggest a linux based music based player that uses M3U

I am to deduce that a text file in the M3U format will not create a duplicate files of the same mp3 files  ??


my major disappoiment is with the user guide and lack of clear explaintions as how to do simple tasks. apple's claim to fame is simplicty
the rockbox is far superiour to apple's itunes and i could see right off the bat.
i will be trying to simplifiy the playlist issues and will post a simple how to .. if i can figure it out.
sorry for the rant i just dont like objects thinking for me.

[saratoga]

I am to deduce that a text file in the M3U format will not create a duplicate files of the same mp3 files  ??

Thats up to the software you use so i can't say for sure, but I don't recall seeing a program that worked that way.

my major disappoiment is with the user guide and lack of clear explaintions as how to do simple tasks. apple's claim to fame is simplicty

You're welcome to suggest improvements. 

[AlexP]

sorry for the rant i just dont like objects thinking for me.

And you like Apple?  I'm amazed.

If you want the documentation to improve, then help out.

[bluebrother]

can anyone suggest a linux based music based player that uses M3U

No need to use annoying colours.

To put it the other way round: I'm not aware of any music player that runs on Linux that can't use / export playlists in m3u format.

[lefticy]

to all who have responed THANKS.. for taking the time ... it is important..

I DESPISE APPLe'S and the products they make. i believe in open source and once i figure it out i will be writting Documentations to add to the manuals ..

i feel that the soultions is so simple most of us old FARTS can't figure it out..

my request to the developers is to have the code written so that playlist can be recgonized in any folder or file on any dstorae device internal or removable.

[AlexP]

my request to the developers is to have the code written so that playlist can be recgonized in any folder or file on any dstorae device internal or removable.

I'm having a slighty hard time understanding that sentence, but if you are asking what I think you are asking, then you already can.

A playlist can be anywhere on either storage, just navigate to it and select it.

[bluebrother]

my request to the developers is to have the code written so that playlist can be recgonized in any folder or file on any dstorae device internal or removable.

First, we don't take feature requests. Second, what makes you believe this isn't possible? You might also want to reword your question for clarity -- as AlexP I'm also not completely sure if I got your question right.

the rockbox is far superiour to apple's itunes and i could see right off the bat.

You're comparing two completely different things here. Itunes is a software running on a PC. Rockbox runs on your player. If you want to compare Rockbox you need to compare it to the Apple firmware of the Ipod, not Itunes. Please be careful here. These kind of distinction is imporant on such topics.

[lefticy]

once again THANKS FOR ALL WHO have REPLYED... i really enjoyed the feed back..
most of my  post have been written in haste and without ceritan knowledge on the rockbox.

let me explain my situation..
i work in an information senitive enviroment .. and for reasons that would take to long to explain.. the employer prohibits any device that can record information (cell phones audio video DCIM) .. however were are allowed to carry cf/sdhc cards or thumb drive 16gb or smaller .they must  contain personal files (mp3s mpeg4  dcim etc. )  that are inspected daily. (think TSA on roids without KY jelly)
i work in the manufacturing section of the facility and have a company issued MP3 player that acceptes the Mirco SD.(the player can not be removed off the work floor)   i have about 8 gb of MP3's that i just completed removing from my old dell dj. this allows to transport my mp3's between the different players.

so this is my problem i can't get the rockbox to play the saved playlist on the microSD1 card when its inserted into the sansa fuze v2
this is what i have done.
1) installed the ROCKBOX using windows ( could not get a proper install with linux)
2) all the mp3's have been dragged and dropped onto the microSD that was formatted in FAT32 into a folder labled music (using linux based OS)
3) the playlists have been generated using BANSHEE ( linux based music manager ) and saved in the m3u8 and m3u formats
( both have returned the same results ) and placed the playlists in different folders ie main memory of the sansa fuze v2 ( not the root )  and the microSD
when ever i go to listen to a SAVED playlist the screen quickley flashed the 1st song on the playlist. with the <root> under the song title and then <root> again . the player then reverts back to what it was doing before or the main screen
the ROCKBOX displays all the saved playlist and i can scroll through the songs within that playlist ..its  just the playlist will not play

what am i doing wrong ... is it so simple that i just don't see it the solution.

i have been searching the web; this forum and all the doc's i can find to correct the issues. but no joy.
i will say this about rockbox.. this is the best software/firmware for a portable device i have ever seen. it totatly open source. accepts most if not all known audio formats ; gives the owner the abality to  customize the device . the list is endless ..

to all the DEVELOPERS thank you for your time and effort in creating an excellent product. i will be donating to the cause to ensure the project will live on.

as i am NEWBIE here ( like only 3 weeks old ) please be kind .. i have to learn the new verbage. so to whom ever i might offend or have offended i am truly sorry ..
thanks

[saratoga]

So basically you've made a playlist, but the player can't find any of the files in the playlist.

Stupid question:  are you sure you've actually put those files on the player?  If you open the playlist in a text editor, and then browse to the folders referenced, do the files exist (ignore drive letters, rockbox will disregard them)?

[lefticy]

saratoga.. i have made several playlists and they show up anywhere i put them on in the file system.
when i make make a small folder of songs ( about 750gb.) and make a playlist with banshee then drag and drop that folder into the MAIN memeory of the player ; rockbox has no problem but when i repeat the process but onto the microSD card i get the same result as decsribed above..

here is a small section of the playlist that banshee generated.( copied from a text editor on the linux PC ) this DOSE NOT work with rockbox playlist file

#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:276,[Styx] - Grand Illusion
../Music/Styx - Grand Illusion.mp3
#EXTINF:242,3 Doors Down - It's Not My Time
../Music/It's Not My Time.mp3
#EXTINF:239,3 Doors Down - Here Without You
../Music/3 Doors Down - Here Without You.mp3
#EXTINF:231,a-ha - Take On Me
../Music/a-ha - Take On Me.mp3
#EXTINF:237,Alan Parsons Project - Eye In The Sky
../Music/Alan Parsons Project - Eye In The Sky.mp3
#EXTINF:237,Alphaville - Big In Japan
../Music/Alphaville - Big In Japan.mp3
#EXTINF:305,Amanda Marshall - I Believe In You
../Music/_Unknown_ - Amanda Marshall - I Believe In You - _Unknown_.mp3
#EXTINF:204,arthur smith - Dueling Banjos
../Music/arthur smith - Dueling Banjos .mp3

this playlist created on WINDOZ 7  with a program; playlist creator 3.6.0  and place on to the micrsd card dose  work .
#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:230, -  - Ah Ha - Take On Me
.\ Ah Ha - Take On Me.mp3
#EXTINF:287, -  - Asia - Only Time Will Tell
.\ Asia - Only Time Will Tell.mp3
#EXTINF:330, -  -
.\ C&C Music Factory- I've Got The Power-fadeout.wav
#EXTINF:330, -  -
.\ C&C Music Factory- I've Got The Power-fadeout.wav
#EXTINF:263, -  - Chicago - Glory of Love
.\ Chicago - Glory of Love.mp3
#EXTINF:314, -  - Don Henly - End of Innocense
.\ Don Henly - End of Innocense.mp3

i have placed the files all over the main memory and in the microSD card using my linux PC i just get the same result. Playlist creator via WINDOZ steps repeated ;   returned a postivie result well . 
what am i missing..
now i did find this    http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,34616.msg198617.html#msg198617
which you started and highlights what i think is really going on. you have playlist that are generated by a PC program and saved as m3u8 into the removalbe memory but because the firmware dose not look for an external drive ( better yet dose not talk to it) we are getting the playlist issues.

[evilnick]

The difference between the playlist files seems to be the directory "music".

Is there a "music" directory on the main (internal) memory of the player? I'm guessing that there is and this is why the Windows-generated playlists work correctly.
Is there a "music" directory on the microSD card? I'm guessing that there isn't.

Something else to try would be to create a playlist of the files on the microSD card on Rockbox and save this playlist to the microSD card - then see what the difference(s) are between that and the ones that you're creating under linux.

[lefticy]

should i delete the     /music       or create a      /music     within the microsd1 card ??

[saratoga]

should i delete the     /music       or create a      /music     within the microsd1 card ??

You should answer evilnick's question if you want help.