How can I automatically boot Original Sansa firmware instead of Rockbox?

[Logos]

I have a Sansa e260v1 and Im running Rockbox 3.12. But Id rather hold the left button to boot into Rockbox instead of it automatically doing it.Is there a setting Im missing?

[saratoga]

There's no way to do that without editing the code in the bootloader.

[Logos]

OK well how difficult is it for me to edit the code?

[AlexP]

I don't know.  Are you set up to compile Rockbox?

[Logos]

I guess I could install the software.Just seems like such a weird thing to have to do just to boot to the Original Firmware.There should be an option to reverse the boot order

[saratoga]

There should be an option to reverse the boot order

The bootloaders are simple programs with no options at all. 

[AlexP]

The bootloader is separate to Rockbox, and should be kept as simple as possible.  On many players making mistakes in the bootloaders is dangerous.

[Logos]

I use plenty of boot loaders on many different devices.Having the option to boot into original firmware instead of rockbox is not so crazy.Having the option to hold the reverse button while booting to boot rockbox instead of the original firmware wouldnt be such a bad idea.

I mean the whole reason rockbox is around is to provide customization options for our devices.

thanks for any help,wish there was an option in rockbox to do this

[bluebrother]

I mean the whole reason rockbox is around is to provide customization options for our devices.

Errm. No.

The whole reason Rockbox is around is people not satisfied with the firmware provided by the vendor of their player. Which is also the reason why I sometime started using Rockbox. It's a replacement firmware, it's not just about "customizations". And due to that there's really no point in defaulting to something else than Rockbox.

Depending on the device there are limitations for the bootloader. Some devices have rather hard size limitations (it only works by compressing the firmware), and on quite a lot of devices changing the bootloader is critical and something going wrong when doing so can brick your player. Plus, the more complex it is the harder it is to maintain it -- people are working on Rockbox in their spare time, and time is one of the most critical factors for development.

[Logos]

Im well aware of the limitations. And having an alternative "firmware" can be considered a "customization" in the broadest sense.

Computers,Sony PSP, Nintendo DS LITES, Sony PlayStations.......the list goes on....all of them have the option to boot to the original firmware.And they are still working on size limitations.But ultimately its all up to the developers.

Wasnt bitching,just  wondering and then wishing there was a way.

[AlexP]

And those are all different devices.

[whiskers75]

There is a way, but unless you know assembler and are willing to risk bricking your player, no.

[Crafty]

hmmm,

does USB/MSC code run before the bootloader?
And is the USB/MSC code burned on ROM?
 
The factory has to have some way of loading OF.

[bluebrother]

does USB/MSC code run before the bootloader?

No.

The factory has to have some way of loading OF.

Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have to access the memory via USB. The factory has access to the PCB so they can use internal interfaces.

[saratoga]

The factory has to have some way of loading OF.

They probably flash the NAND chips before they solder them onto the board.

And is the USB/MSC code burned on ROM?

They use NAND rather then a traditional ROM, I guess to cut costs.  If you screw up a firmware flash its extremely difficult to fix it.