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Inconsistencies finding version, release date, and change log information.
saratoga:
--- Quote from: ImpTaimer on March 28, 2012, 10:21:38 PM ---I was expecting less cynicism, but thanks for the info on subjects I was unclear on.
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I don't think this is cynicism exactly. More like disbelief.
--- Quote from: ImpTaimer on March 28, 2012, 10:21:38 PM ----Most of my concerns are because of the inconsistencies of terminologies and page linking. And I apologize if because of this the way I may have used them seemed "wrong" and may have complained about the "wrong" things.
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I think the terminology is entirely consistent, and that the problem is that you are not familiar with it and then neglected to read the descriptions and definitions provided to you. As far as I can tell essentially everything you've complained about comes down to you misunderstanding or ignoring something.
--- Quote from: ImpTaimer on March 28, 2012, 10:21:38 PM ----The Utility and Firmware does not state the version of Rockbox. It only states the build. Nowhere on either does it state that you're installing or have version 3.10.
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This displays when you try to install a build.
--- Quote from: ImpTaimer on March 28, 2012, 10:21:38 PM ----The "releases" page informs you of little to nothing, and redirects you to other pages which also don't provide "convenient" answers. The only thing it informs you is that you're downloading Rockbox 3.10. It does not inform you what the build the download is using or when the build was updated. You are "forced" to go to the current build page which also tells you nothing except the the current build, or to the change log which is only available on the front page.
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3.10 is the version number of a specific build. So if you download the 3.10 build, its version is 3.10 and its build is also 3.10. I think this is made quite clear here:
--- Quote from: ImpTaimer on March 28, 2012, 10:21:38 PM ---The "current build" page doesn't tell you when it was updated.
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You're mistaken:
--- Quote from: ImpTaimer on March 28, 2012, 10:21:38 PM ---If you wish to know the stable build of your device, you have to download it via the "release page", going full circle. If your device is listed as "unstable" or "in development", you must download the current build, because your device technically has "no" stable build. If you wish to know when a build is released, you must go to the "Devel/Build" page within the "current build" page, because the change log page does not tell you the build name in which a change occurred.
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I don't understand this complaint.
--- Quote from: ImpTaimer on March 28, 2012, 10:21:38 PM ----The Change Log page concerning builds is only available on the front page. It is not available in any other page that I've seen. It could at least be added to the side under "Documentation". I will admit I did not find it for this reason, and this reason alone, and I can't apologize enough.
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I don't think this makes sense.
--- Quote from: ImpTaimer on March 28, 2012, 10:21:38 PM ----The Utility does inform you what the current build is and its release date, but it requires you to have your device plugged and click the "install" button to find out.
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No it does not.
--- Quote from: ImpTaimer on March 28, 2012, 10:21:38 PM ----There is no "return to main page" feature on the site, you are expected to either click the picture in the top-left corner
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You cannot be serious.
bluebrother:
--- Quote from: ImpTaimer on March 28, 2012, 10:21:38 PM ----The Utility does inform you what the current build is and its release date, but it requires you to have your device plugged and click the "install" button to find out. While this is a nice "safety" feature, you should be able to find out and download without having to have your device plugged in. It would be helpful to add a "current build" and "stable build" reminder in the "Info" section of the Utility.
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And what would be the point in having such a feature? If you have some download-only feature you need to install manually, and that defeats the purpose of a tool like Rockbox Utility. And if you have to install manually you can also download manually -- there's no difference in having to click buttons in a tool or links in your browser.
--- Quote ----There is no "return to main page" feature on the site, you are expected to either click the picture in the top-left corner or re-access it by typing it in or having it bookmarked.*EDIT* The main page has the most useful information, yet it isn't redirected very much from other pages.
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There is, on pretty much *every* page.
torne:
--- Quote from: ImpTaimer on March 28, 2012, 10:21:38 PM ----The Utility and Firmware does not state the version of Rockbox. It only states the build. Nowhere on either does it state that you're installing or have version 3.10. You are only given build information. The separation of version and build seems arbitrary from a consumer standpoint. The build does not determine which version of Rockbox you are using, and the version does not determine which build of Rockbox you are using. This is where most of my complaints derive from.
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I think this is the root of your difficulty, and it's caused by our terminology being a bit weird (you are misunderstanding it). It may help you to know that I'm now working on changing our terminology to be more sensible and consistent.
However, currently: your statement here is wrong. There is no such thing as a separate "version" and "build". There is the latest stable release of rockbox, which is labelled "3.10" - this is its version number, this is its build, there is no other identifier for it. There is also the current development version, which is labelled with a hexadecimal number like "4e889cb" as well as the date it was compiled - this is its version number, this is its build, there is no other identifier for it. If you install the development version, you *do not* have 3.10, you have the development version, which is newer than 3.10 and will, eventually, develop into the 3.11 release.
You are welcome to think this is confusing and doesn't make sense - and we agree. We are in the process of agreeing on new terminology that should be much more sensible for users and developers alike to understand, and once we've decided exactly how this should look we will update both the website and Rockbox Utility to use the new terms consistently.
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