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How to play a saved playlist in the newest Rockbox build?
skip252:
You still won't be able to open playlists from the WPS context, menu which is what this is about. The "View Playlist Catalog" menu item has been removed from the WPS context menu. There is no way I can find now to access saved playlists from the WPS regardless of save location. All access to the playlist catalog seems to be from the Main Menu now. A part of browsing and playing has been changed without that change being reflected in the manual.
From FS#12297
--- Quote ---Closed by Jonathan Gordon (jdgordon)
Tuesday, 04 October 2011, 07:49 GMT+2
Reason for closing: Not a Bug
Additional comments about closing: This isnt a bug. The "Playlist Catalogue" main menu item is that "View catalog" used to do. It should not be lnked to the wps context menu
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The "View Catalog" menu item still shows as existing in the manual but it has in fact been removed.
http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-520004.3.3
--- Quote ---Playlist catalogue
View catalogue.
This lists all playlists that are part of the Playlist catalogue. You can load a new playlist directly from this list.
Add to playlist.
Adds the currently playing file to a playlist. Select the playlist you want the file to be added to and it will get appended to that playlist.
Add to new playlist.
Similar to the previous entry this will add the currently playing track to a playlist. You need to enter a name for the new playlist first.
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As this appears to be a permanent change it would seem that the manual should reflect that. That would eliminate any future confusion as to why access to the Playlist Catalog from the WPS context menu exists in the Release build but not the current builds.
It won't much matter to me as the removal of that item renders any future upgrades moot in my case. The ability to change playlists with a few blind button presses is an essential element of why I use Rockbox. Now that's gone I'll have to stay with older builds if I continue to use Rockbox.
JdGordon:
yes, the manual is out of date and iirc there is a bug to fix it. playlist catalog never should have been in the wps context menu.
Llorean:
To explain it a bit more clearly:
What you're running into are some changes that were intentionally made. The goal was to make the playlist catalog a little less confusing to people encountering it the first time. This does require a few extra button presses, though it shouldn't be as many as you're presenting. It shouldn't be a "maze like" way back to the WPS. The direct shortcut there should work, and if it doesn't, the main menu (which has a link to the WPS) should be a single button away. If neither of these works, it sounds like there are still bugs somewhere that need working out.
It's quite unlikely the playlist catalog is going to go back to working like it used to, but if you can narrow down actual bugs like keymap issues, rather than complaints about the redesign, it's possible they may be addressed.
Unfortunately when the new layout was designed, the question "what could people do before that they can't do now" doesn't seem to have been thoroughly explored by the author of the update.
As to a manual update, there's a growing trend of "I'll write the patch, and post a bug report expecting someone else to document the changes I made" which is what results in this sort of thing. Unfortunately there's rarely any pressure on the patch author to follow through and finish the manual update if someone else doesn't do it for him or her.
--- Quote from: JdGordon on October 06, 2011, 08:17:24 AM ---yes, the manual is out of date and iirc there is a bug to fix it. playlist catalog never should have been in the wps context menu.
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This is your personal opinion, but since the "context" is "Playback" and the playlist is "list of things to play back" it's pretty reasonable for people to expect it there. At the very least, one might want to insert the currently playing song (definitely context relevant) into another playlist.
XavierB:
@skip252: THANK YOU VERY MUCH for actually reading my post.
--- Quote ---It won't much matter to me as the removal of that item renders any future upgrades moot in my case. The ability to change playlists with a few blind button presses is an essential element of why I use Rockbox. Now that's gone I'll have to stay with older builds if I continue to use Rockbox.
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So this means I'm not alone with this annoyance.
I hoped by opening this thread someone could tell me a quicker way to load my playlist or, at least, draw the developers to attention that there is (in my point of view) a ergonomics problem.
--- Quote ---playlist catalog never should have been in the wps context menu.
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I don't care if it shouldn't. (BTW, "Add to playlist" and "Add to new playlist" shouldn't be there, either) The only thing I wish for is a fast and efficient way (means, the least amount of key pressing possible) to load my playlist. If it goes via Context Menu or Main Menu is secondary.
--- Quote ---yes, the manual is out of date
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--- Quote ---As to a manual update, there's a growing trend of "I'll write the patch, and post a bug report expecting someone else to document the changes I made" which is what results in this sort of thing. Unfortunately there's rarely any pressure on the patch author to follow through and finish the manual update if someone else doesn't do it for him or her.
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I don't expect the manual to be updated for every current build. If it represents the stable build (and it does) I'm happy with it. Before loading a new build I usually try to go through the "Log Messages" of the recent builds. The IRC logs are to cumbersome for a "normal" Rockbox user like me to comb through for information. This usually works for me.
--- Quote ---It shouldn't be a "maze like" way back to the WPS. The direct shortcut there should work,[...]
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What is the "direct shortcut" to the WPS on the Clip+? Is it the the Home Button? Doesn't work for me. I end up one screen back or at the Main Menu at best, and still have to look on the screen and do some clicks to select "Now Playing" and therefore returning to WPS. With Rockbox v.3.9.1 I come straight back to WPS after loading a playlist.
--- Quote ---It's quite unlikely the playlist catalog is going to go back to working like it used to, but if you can narrow down actual bugs like keymap issues, rather than complaints about the redesign, it's possible they may be addressed.
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@Llorean: Is this directed to me? I just saw that one day the "View Catalogue" was missing from the "Playlist Catalogue" submenu in the Context Menu and it didn't come back. Still, it was present in the stable build. There was no information about the removal in the builds log (I ignored the the IRC, see above) and the forum, so I thought it might be a bug. JdGordon closed my bug reported with exactly that reason that you dismissed as his "personal opinion".
And I do consider complains about ergonomics and design as a kind of a bug report. It may be not so obvious to "recreate" since you have to temporarily put your personal believes and convictions of a perfect design aside and adopt the view of the "complainer". Hell, it took 16(!) posts on this thread until someone tried to read and understand what I was trying to say! (Is my English really THAT bad?!) If it gets addressed is another question but at least my opinion is out there and visible for others who share a similar if not even the same opinion.
I never would have imagined that the developers would have killed such an elegant way to load a playlist and replace/leave it with something that reminds me more of a clickfest. (And, yes, Sansa Clip+ make hearable click sounds.) Again, if someone knows a quicker way to load playlist or a build that addresses this problem, please a message on this board.
Untill then I'll stick to the version 3.9.1 and keep a copy of it on my hard drive, in case this "improvement" makes into a stable release.
Llorean:
--- Quote from: XavierB on October 06, 2011, 10:19:59 AM ---What is the "direct shortcut" to the WPS on the Clip+?
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It's in the manual. I believe it's hold Home and hit another key, I'm not sure what.
--- Quote ---@Llorean: Is this directed to me? I just saw that one day the "View Catalogue" was missing from the "Playlist Catalogue" submenu in the Context Menu and it didn't come back. Still, it was present in the stable build. There was no information about the removal in the builds log (I ignored the the IRC, see above) and the forum, so I thought it might be a bug. JdGordon closed my bug reported with exactly that reason that you dismissed as his "personal opinion".
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The stable build is only updated once every few months. If every change were reflected in it, there would be no point in having it. The SVN log on the front page reflects current changes. No need to use IRC.
--- Quote ---And I do consider complains about ergonomics and design as a kind of a bug report.
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Desiring changes in the layout or ergonomics is a feature request. Bugs are when code does not work as the developers claim it should/does. In this case there is a bug, but technically it's apparently in the manual if the current versions of the manual do not describe the current versions of Rockbox.
--- Quote ---I never would have imagined that the developers would have killed such an elegant way to load a playlist and replace/leave it with something that reminds me more of a clickfest. (And, yes, Sansa Clip+ make hearable click sounds.) Again, if someone knows a quicker way to load playlist or a build that addresses this problem, please a message on this board.
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Playlists can literally be loaded from anywhere in the file browser. And clicking on them in the file browser should still just "play" them I believe. So if you keep a folder of playlists, turn "follow playlist" off, and click on one of them, you should be in the WPS. Once there, clicking "select" will show you that folder, and clicking a new one will launch it. This should result in faster switching between playlists than even the old context menu method.
--- Quote ---Untill then I'll stick to the version 3.9.1 and keep a copy of it on my hard drive, in case this "improvement" makes into a stable release.
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It will be in the next stable release, and all future ones, unless it's reverted.
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