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[Sansa Clip+] A better shortcut to return to WPS
Llorean:
--- Quote from: mfe555 on September 20, 2011, 08:29:43 AM ---Why is this important? - Navigating the menu to go to the WPS requires several key presses and full attention on a very small screen. The two button method, on a player designed to be operated with one hand, is perfect for persons having two thumbs on that hand. Both methods are non-intuitive; especially first time rockbox users, unless they are "manual readers", have a hard time returning to the WPS. Mattofdoom has described the frustration of many of his friends about this. I think we want an intuitive, easy to use rockbox.
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Using "Home" to return to the WPS also isn't intuitive. Someone will just have to randomly press that button and discover what it does. Meanwhile the "Resume Playback" option is visible and labeled. I can't see how that's less intuitive than a button doing something that its label doesn't indicate.
We've long since come to the conclusion that Rockbox can't be intuitive. There's just too much to it. Instead, we lean toward consistency. Once you learn how things work, they stay working that way between screens. Sometimes even between devices. This way you don't need to read a new manual every time a player breaks or becomes outdated and you need to buy a new one. There is no real escaping the necessity to read the manual once, but one can mitigate how often you have to re-read it.
mfe555:
Llorean, you're not convincing me. I was about to suggest a poll before reading mattofdoom's posting, after that I was hoping you would accept his report about 20+ users finding rockbox on the Clip "nearly impossible to use" as a kind of result of some poll, though not under transparent conditions.
Without ever having read the original Clip's manual, finding out that pressing "home" again brought you from the menu to the WPS was so easy (experimentally, but not unexpected) that I don't remember it as a problem at all. I do remember how long it took me to find the way to the WPS using rockbox.
The toggling between the two recent levels of the menu is a close to useless function that could easily be replaced by something useful.
Is there a way to start a poll in this forum?
Maintaining consistency would be possible by making this configurable on all players, with a recommendation that Clip users familiar with the OF should consider "my" settings. A sentence like this in a manual, explained by the low number of buttons on the Clip family, won't hurt.
saratoga:
--- Quote from: mfe555 on September 20, 2011, 01:23:46 PM ---Llorean, you're not convincing me. I was about to suggest a poll before reading mattofdoom's posting, after that I was hoping you would accept his report about 20+ users finding rockbox on the Clip "nearly impossible to use" as a kind of result of some poll, though not under transparent conditions.
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You don't need to make a poll. No one will care what the result is since we do not put UI changes to a vote.
flaps:
--- Quote from: Llorean on September 20, 2011, 12:03:27 PM ---We've long since come to the conclusion that Rockbox can't be intuitive. There's just too much to it. Instead, we lean toward consistency. Once you learn how things work, they stay working that way between screens.
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That doesn't exactly hold true for the Clip+.
Quoting its manual "Power: Leave the radio screen with the radio playing". This isn't intuitive nor consistent between screens and players. Power button always stops the song or plugins, or at least it should. So, why was it made that way, different from all other players? Because the Clip+ has too few buttons, so an exception was made. This is unpredictable and confusing, even for someone used with Rockbox. Even worse for the Recording screen.
I believe this would make a really pertinent exception, too.
saratoga:
--- Quote from: flaps on September 20, 2011, 06:09:34 PM ---Quoting its manual "Power: Leave the radio screen with the radio playing". This isn't intuitive nor consistent between screens and players. Power button always stops the song or plugins, or at least it should. So, why was it made that way, different from all other players? Because the Clip+ has too few buttons, so an exception was made. This is unpredictable and confusing, even for someone used with Rockbox. Even worse for the Recording screen.
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Well yes, obviously when theres not enough buttons to be consistent, its not possible to be consistent.
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