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[Sansa Clip+] A better shortcut to return to WPS
Llorean:
--- Quote from: pabouk on September 02, 2011, 08:01:24 AM ---Llorean, sometimes you have to leave the WPS. The most frequent example in my case is stopping playback. (I cannot use pause as it does not store bookmark when the player turns off automatically after a delay.) I think there should be simple way how to get to the WPS and how to resume playback.
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Why do you need to bookmark while cycling? I mean, what's the situation where you'd want to stop playback, and then resume it, without looking at the player?
--- Quote ---IMHO the current function of the home button which alternates between two location is not so useful. I almost do no use it and I was always wondering who considers the alternating function so useful. In the past I was using Rockbox on H100 series and there was a single button for resuming playback/going to the WPS.
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The H100 has an extra button to spare for this. The common approach so far has been that if we "lose" a button, rather than shuffling other button features around to make room for it, we put its features either in free areas (like an extra long press of Play being Stop/Power Down on some devices) or in combos. It doesn't really make sense for a button labeled "Home" to take you to the WPS in the first place. There's nothing about the button that would indicate it does this, and the common Rockbox function for the menu button is the alternating behaviour. To some degree it's beneficial to have button functions stay the same between devices. If you have an iPod and then get a Clip+, you know that the "Home" button does what the "Menu" button on the iPod did, and there's little more to learn about the issue. There are reasons to override this, and that's why I've been asking questions about the use cases to explore how bad the situation is here. I own a Clip+ and haven't had severe issues with it at all. There's a lot of complications with having a button that, when pressed from some screens resumes playback, and when pressed from others does not, since it makes it easier to accidentally resume when you may not want to. The short->long combo, much like the current one, will always resume (from screens that can be resumed from) and so isn't as prone to accidental behaviour.
--- Quote ---By the way: do you think it is useful to have both stop and pause on flash players? I think pause is unnecessary as resuming playback is instantaneous on such players.
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Pause allows you to do things like pause, then seek to a specific location, to queue something up inaudibly. This simply isn't possible while stopped. The reason Pause and Stop both exist is that they really are functionally different beyond simply the resume time.
torne:
--- Quote from: pabouk on September 02, 2011, 08:01:24 AM ---(I cannot use pause as it does not store bookmark when the player turns off automatically after a delay.)
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This behaviour is a bug, which should have been fixed some time ago (see FS#11493). Is it definitely still not saving the bookmark on idle poweroff for you, with a current build?
mfe555:
--- Quote from: Llorean on September 01, 2011, 02:09:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: saratoga on September 01, 2011, 01:37:43 PM ---This seems like an acceptable change, although I'm not sure if we allow double click button actions?
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Although it's not what he suggested, it does seem a better alternative than the current two-button method. We used to have short then long "next" to skip folders. I don't see why short then long "home" couldn't be "resume playback."
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Sounds good to me.
To achieve this, it would not even be necessary to detect the "short then long" sequence. As the first press of "home" already brings you to the main menu, all that would be required is that a long press of "home" takes you to the WPS from the main menu:
"home" -> main menu
short "home" from main menu -> back to where you've been (as already implemented)
long "home" from main menu -> WPS
Llorean:
Long press of "Home" already brings up the quickscreen. The whole point of suggestiong short+long was so as not to displace existing functionality.
mfe555:
Sorry, I was not aware of that.
So "short then long home" sounds like the best solution.
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