Volume limiter

[STU103]

Yes before any Moderator on other stuck up know it all Techy Guy on this site start to say...  just turn the volume down.   How hard would it be to have a volume limiter...  Gee Apple can do it! surely some of the smart guys here could incorporate this valuable safety feature into a build of rockbox?   And no people don't want to mess around with EQ settings or Gain settings...... That is simply not the same as a volume limiter feature.   Or maybe Rockbox will simply stay in the Geek or Techy arena.  Which would be a pity as it is quite functional.  Although  lacking in simplicity.  Simplicity is the key to success.......  Even a 7 year old can pick up an ipod and make it work....  The same can be said for Rockbox.......    And can someone tell me what is the point of the stupid Demos?   Who the hell cares if my ipod can display a spinning cube?!!!  seriously?   As far as I can see the only real advantage of Rockbox is Lossless Audio on an Ipod.  Apart from that what really is the point?   People It really doesn't sound better than the original firmware on your Ipod or other mp3 player......  If you think it does your just kidding yourself.    Now I guess I will be banned by one of the Rockbox prophets  who decide what people can and can't say on a open forum........  well so be it.....   

[saratoga]

Yes before any Moderator on other stuck up know it all Techy Guy on this site start to say...  just turn the volume down.   How hard would it be to have a volume limiter... 

Could you explain what you think a volume limiter should do?  Its unclear from your post what you're asking for.

And can someone tell me what is the point of the stupid Demos?   Who the hell cares if my ipod can display a spinning cube?!!!  seriously?

Someone felt like doing graphics demos.  If you don't like them, don't run them.

People It really doesn't sound better than the original firmware on your Ipod or other mp3 player...... 

Of course rockbox sounds the same.  Aside from EQ, dsp effects. or lossless audio, changing the firmware doesn't change how a device sounds.  Who said otherwise?

[[Saint]]

You seem to be forgetting that no one is forcing you to use Rockbox, and if the tone of your post is anything to go by it seems as though you may be happier with the OF which makes life easier for all involved.


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[STU103]

I will attempt to explain volume limit.   The ability set a maximum volume limit to prevent the volume from exceeding a certain level..   This is simple to do on an ipod and many other mp3 players.  But there is no such feature in Rockbox.    This is a simple feature which is easy to set on many other platforms.  It is often called volume limit.   It seems that Rockbox doesn't care about safety.  I ask Why?  It is a basic feature.    Rockbox development prides itself on on diversity and feature rich environment.  Advanced settings for EQ and sound manipulation.   But manages to lack in basic settings such as volume limit?  I simply ask why? 

[saratoga]

I will attempt to explain volume limit.   The ability set a maximum volume limit to prevent the volume from exceeding a certain level.. 

Ah ok, so basically you want to be able to adjust the maximum volume from the current value (0to +6dB) on most players to some lower level.

This is simple to do, just set the precut to however many dB you would like to reduce from the max volume.

 It seems that Rockbox doesn't care about safety.  I ask Why?  It is a basic feature.    Rockbox development prides itself on on diversity and feature rich environment.  Advanced settings for EQ and sound manipulation.   But manages to lack in basic settings such as volume limit?  I simply ask why? 

Because you need to read the manual before you post

[STU103]

Yes I have read the manual.  And cutting the Db is not a volume limiter function.   I did mention I don't want to mess with EQ settings or anything like that.   The question was why is there no Volume limit function?

[saratoga]

And cutting the Db is not a volume limiter function. 

From what you have described, it is.  If you actually want something different, can you explain what it is?

 I did mention I don't want to mess with EQ settings or anything like that.

You don't have to use EQ to enable precut. 

   The question was why is there no Volume limit function?

Well, until you explain exactly what a volume limit function is, its hard to answer that question.

[STU103]

And cutting the Db is not a volume limiter function.  

From what you have described, it is.  If you actually want something different, can you explain what it is?

No it is not the same.   Please show me a menu on rockbox that says set volume limit?  There isn't one.   It should be a simple feature.  easily accessible.  Not something complex such as cutting dB.  There is no simple option.  Such as with an Ipod.  You can simply access the setting menu and set a volume limit via the volume control.   Simple uncomplicated,  and appreciated.  

I would have thought that the open input would help make rockbox better.....  unless Rockbox the rockbox Developers only want a select few to use it?    

_{soap edit:  Fix totally borked quotes, no change in content, I swear!}

[saratoga]

No it is not the same.  

Ok fair enough.  Can you explain how its different so that I can answer your question

Edit:  Basically, telll me what you think a volume limiter should do and then maybe I can tell you why its not there. 

[bluebrother]

No it is not the same.   Please show me a menu on rockbox that says set volume limit?

Why do you need a menu item labelled the way you want it if there's a perfectly working way to achieve the same thing by using an option labelled differently? Should we also rename "backdrop" to "background" because other systems use the other term? Rename "plugins" to "apps" because the latter term became popular lately? Or ...

[STU103]

You have missed the point.....  Why not simplify it.   why make it so complicated.   Why not have a simple menu item to limit the volume.   This would enhance Rockbox and make it more accessible to the everyday user.  OR is it simple to complex to have a simple menu item to control the maximum volume output to prevent possible hearing damage and loss?   

[saratoga]

You have missed the point.....  Why not simplify it.

So I guess precut really is the same thing as what you called a volume limiter and we had what you wanted all along?

Why not have a simple menu item to limit the volume.

I might not be opposed to this, but how would you simplify it verses what we have now?   Just leave the option exactly how it is now but rename it?  Or something else?

 This would enhance Rockbox and make it more accessible to the everyday user.  OR is it simple to complex to have a simple menu item to control the maximum volume output to prevent possible hearing damage and loss?  

To be clear, this is a pretty obscure feature.  The goal wouldn't be to make it accessible to everyday users (since they'd never use it), but to make it more clear that the feature exists.

Edit:  It might be helpful to know why you had so much trouble using this feature.  Was it because you didn't know what precut was, because the manual didn't explain it well, or something else?

[STU103]

Why would you say that people never use the volume limit feature?   It is a simple feature that could only enhance rockbox's usability.  And make it more user friendly.   Once again I will return to spinning cube.   A feature that would be very rarely used by anyone.   Yet incorporating a safety,  seems to inflame anger and ridicule among the developers of the software.   

[saratoga]

Why would you say that people never use the volume limit feature?

I said ordinary users would never use it, since its an obscure feature not widely desired by our users that can easily be done several other ways.

   It is a simple feature that could only enhance rockbox's usability. 

To a tiny fraction of people that both want that feature and aren't already using it through a different means.  Adding large amounts of relatively useless options (or options that duplicate another option) is confusing.  We try to avoid it when possible.

 Once again I will return to spinning cube.   A feature that would be very rarely used by anyone.

But its not in rockbox.  Its a demo plugin.  A user never has to run a demo plugin.  Many users have to change settings, so the standard is much different there.  Basically, anything goes in plugins.

   Yet incorporating a safety,  seems to inflame anger and ridicule among the developers of the software.   

Err, we did incorporate that feature.  Many years ago.  So no, theres no anger and ridicule aside from what you've posted.

Anyway, if you're actually interested in convincing me to support this, your window of opportunity is rapidly closing due to your dithering.  I suggest explaining how you think this should be improved in your next post or not bother.  I do have other things to do today besides coaching you into explaining yourself.

[STU103]

No it is not the same.   Please show me a menu on rockbox that says set volume limit?

Why do you need a menu item labelled the way you want it if there's a perfectly working way to achieve the same thing by using an option labelled differently? Should we also rename "backdrop" to "background" because other systems use the other term? Rename "plugins" to "apps" because the latter term became popular lately? Or ...

Why are you personally attacking me?   I asked a question and do not expect to be ridiculed. 
I will ask you.   Why not have a simple menu.  I didn't discuss renaming anything.  or mentioned anything about the latest popular term.   And thank you for in no way did you address my initial  Question....  Very constructive on your part to attempt to belittle me and not look at the larger picture.  Perhaps  There are many users of rockbox who would like this feature?