Ipod Classic + Banshee

[Voronwe]

Hi, first of all sorry for my "angrish".

I just installed Rockbox on my Ipod Classic 6g (160 gigabytes) and, I have to admit it, everything seems to go just fine, I don't see many issues in playback and so on, I can upload my songs using Banshee BUT when I have uploaded them I can't edit them anymore, plus I can't create any playlist via banshee (I was interested in smart playlists). Is this a known bug or there's something I'm doing wrong? Same bug using rhythmbox, by the way. I tried searching on google but didn't find something useful, anyway thanks a lot for your help.

PS Running Banshee 2.0 stable on Ubuntu Natty Narwhal amd64 version.

[saratoga]

I can upload my songs using Banshee BUT when I have uploaded them I can't edit them anymore, plus I can't create any playlist via banshee (I was interested in smart playlists). Is this a known bug or there's something I'm doing wrong? Same bug using rhythmbox, by the way. I tried searching on google but didn't find something useful, anyway thanks a lot for your help.

PS Running Banshee 2.0 stable on Ubuntu Natty Narwhal amd64 version.

Not sure if I understand your question since I don't know what Banshee is, but when you mount your ipod on your computer its just a normal MSC USB device.  Either it works and you can add and remove files to it, or it doesn't.  Are you able to add/remove files to the disk? 

[Voronwe]

Well Banshee is some kind of a "iTunes" for linux. I know that I can copy my files directly on my iPod (and I can do it, just as I said, I just used Banshee instead of the windows manager), the true problem is that I can't modify my ratings, playlist etc

[saratoga]

Well Banshee is some kind of a "iTunes" for linux. I know that I can copy my files directly on my iPod (and I can do it, just as I said, I just used Banshee instead of the windows manager), the true problem is that I can't modify my ratings, playlist etc

Ah ok you're asking about Banshee, not rockbox.  Have you tried Banshee forums, mailing list, or whatever they have?

[Voronwe]

It's possible that's a Banshee issue, but it's kinda strange that you can write on Rockbox database file when you upload a song but you can't edit after that, same goes for playlists ecc... by the way, I'm not reporting a bug, instead I'm just asking if this is a known issue or I have to edit some hidden option in Rockbox In facts I have the same exact problem with Rhythmbox (another linux program like Banshee).

[Chronon]

I am not very clear on what you're talking about.  Rockbox give you the option to initialize or update its database.  This database is built by scanning the metadata of files on your player.  There isn't a metadata editor in Rockbox so you need to edit the metadata using a PC application.

You can certainly create playlists within Rockbox as well as use externally generated playlists.  You can also use the playlist viewer to delete or move tracks in a given playlist.  There is a text editor, so if you really wanted to you could edit the text within an M3U playlist. 

Have you read the manual?  Information about the database and playlist handling can be found there.

[Voronwe]

Yeah but I assume that there is a database file, apparently Banshee and Rhythmbox are capable of read that but not to edit that... did you understand what I mean now? I think that's just a Banshee's problem.

[saratoga]

Yeah but I assume that there is a database file, apparently Banshee and Rhythmbox are capable of read that

Assuming you mean the rockbox database, other programs outside of rockbox are not able to access it.  That might happen someday, but for now we don't provide a way to do that. 

did you understand what I mean now?

I understand that you're really confused about banshee or rockbox or USB disks, but I'm not entirely sure which.  Let me just point out that if you've got rockbox mounted as a USB drive, its literally identical to every other USB hard drive out there.  You could replace rockbox with a USB thumb drive and no software on your computer would know the difference.  Hell, even our own installer will install the rockbox system files to a USB thumb drive if you tell it to because it can't actually tell if a drive has rockbox on it or is just another hard drive. 

With that in mind, would I be correct in thinking that you're really just asking how to do something in Banshee that has nothing to do with rockbox?

[Amela]

You can use the playlist browser delete or move in a given playlist track. You can also look at the manual, read the inside of the related content!

[Voronwe]

Assuming you mean the rockbox database, other programs outside of rockbox are not able to access it.  That might happen someday, but for now we don't provide a way to do that. 

Maybe it's my angrish, but it's exactly what I tried to ask before, I thought that banshee or rhythmbox would be able to edit the rockbox database file (Banshee recognize my iPod as a "Rockbox device"), but they don't (now I know ) because there's no program outside of rockbox that's able to access the database. Thank you very much for your replies.

[saratoga]

Maybe it's my angrish, but it's exactly what I tried to ask before, I thought that banshee or rhythmbox would be able to edit the rockbox database file (Banshee recognize my iPod as a "Rockbox device"), but they don't (now I know ) because there's no program outside of rockbox that's able to access the database. Thank you very much for your replies.

To be clear, editing the files on the player and creating playlists has nothing to do with the rockbox database.

[gbl08ma]

To be clear, editing the files on the player and creating playlists has nothing to do with the rockbox database.

...unlike what happens with the original firmware of iPods, where everything is stored on the database and managed by iTunes (or something that emulates iTunes, such as Banshee or Rhythmbox).

On Rockbox, the database is part of the software but it isn't essential to the work of Rockbox, and you could even install Rockbox and leave the database not initialized for years, that Rockbox would work perfectly, except the parts that need the database to work (the database view itself and PictureFlow).
On Rockbox, music and playlist files are real files on disk, like on a USB thumb drive, not a pseudo-database-filesystem Apple invented.

(and since you appear to be using Banshee to synchronize music, have you noticed that with Rockbox you can use the file browser directly and put music or playlists anywhere on the iPod, copying the music files directly? no iTunes/Banshee/whatever is needed, however you can use them if you want)