Stop/pause after each track? Resume after auto shutdown?

[Graviton]

Hi! Dear Forum!

I was very enthusiastic about the many possibilities of Rockbox, when I saw it on my friend's player. So I bought a Sansa Clip+, but have some very annoying problems:

Am I just too silly to find the options (I tried "everyting"), or are the following options really not possible (I'm a bit surprised, because I regard them as pretty basic compared to all the advanced options available by rockbox):

1.) Is it really not possible to pause/stop playback after each single track??? (Really annoying when listening to audio books, falling asleep and having no good sleep as the player keeps on playing the whole directory... ;| And also not nice to search for the position you last listened to.)

2.) After auto shutdown (after several minutes of idle) there is no resume!? And no possibility to create a bookmark?? Really annoying when you have to search through all your audiobook folders after an auto shutdown.

3.) I set the buttons to rewind instead of skip tracks. So far so good. But when you get to the _beginning_ of a track it is not possible to rewind further into the previous track?? Either you skip to the beginning of the previous track, or (wen setting the option "no track skip") it is not possible at all to jump back into the previous track.

Any help whether I'm just too stupid to find the right combination of settings? :| My old Cowon iAudio G3 was able to do the things above without any problem :|

Thanks (and sorry for my bad English)!
Yours, Florian

[nick_p]

Sleep Timer;

http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch5.html#x8-1010005.12

Resume Playblack;

http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1380008.5

Bookmarks;

http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1450008.6

If you want your sleep timer to be persistent (and you feel up to applying a patch), a few of us have put together a modification for this;

http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11042

[torne]

1.) Is it really not possible to pause/stop playback after each single track??? (Really annoying when listening to audio books, falling asleep and having no good sleep as the player keeps on playing the whole directory... ;| And also not nice to search for the position you last listened to.)

If you only want to play one track at a time, make a playlist with just one track in it. There's no need for an automatic stop feature...

2.) After auto shutdown (after several minutes of idle) there is no resume!? And no possibility to create a bookmark?? Really annoying when you have to search through all your audiobook folders after an auto shutdown.

It should save the autoresume position during idle poweroff, and if you have bookmark on stop enabled it should create a bookmark as well. Works for me.

3.) I set the buttons to rewind instead of skip tracks. So far so good. But when you get to the _beginning_ of a track it is not possible to rewind further into the previous track?? Either you skip to the beginning of the previous track, or (wen setting the option "no track skip") it is not possible at all to jump back into the previous track.

Rewinding past the beginning of tracks is not implemented, no.

[Graviton]

If you only want to play one track at a time, make a playlist with just one track in it. There's no need for an automatic stop feature...

In the following situation IMHO an automatic stop is very nice (I really loved this feature of my old iAudio G3):

When listening to audio books with short tracks at night:
1.) I listen to a short track.
2.) After the track finishd, playback is stopped.
3.) If I already fell asleep, the player automatically shuts down (after 2 min) with autoresume. -> Very easy to find, where to continue next time!
4.) If I did not fall asleep yet, I click 'Play' for next title.

I prefer this very much over a sleep timer: With low values of the sleep timer, it often shuts down when you don't want it to do so. With high values, it is harder to find where one fell asleep during an audiobook when you want to continue the next day.

Yours, Florian
Post Merge: February 01, 2011, 01:52:25 PMSorry, I forgot:

It should save the autoresume position during idle poweroff, and if you have bookmark on stop enabled it should create a bookmark as well. Works for me.

This doesn't seem to work in the following situation:
a) all tracks in one folder played
b) playback stops
c) player automatically shuts down

=> no auto resume. If I had pressed "Play" between point b) and c), I would have jumped into the next folder; but the information where I was in the folder tree is lost after shutting down. (Maybe I am spoiled? due to my old iAudio player, which was really perfect for audiobook lovers ;-| )

Yours, Florian

[torne]

When listening to audio books with short tracks at night:
1.) I listen to a short track.
2.) After the track finishd, playback is stopped.
3.) If I already fell asleep, the player automatically shuts down (after 2 min) with autoresume. -> Very easy to find, where to continue next time!
4.) If I did not fall asleep yet, I click 'Play' for next title.

I prefer this very much over a sleep timer: With low values of the sleep timer, it often shuts down when you don't want it to do so. With high values, it is harder to find where one fell asleep during an audiobook when you want to continue the next day.

I didn't suggest using the sleep timer. Just add the first track to the playlist, so that the playlist contains only one file. It will play. Once it's done, add the second track. It will play. etc. No need to use a timer.

This doesn't seem to work in the following situation:
a) all tracks in one folder played
b) playback stops
c) player automatically shuts down

=> no auto resume. If I had pressed "Play" between point b) and c), I would have jumped into the next folder; but the information where I was in the folder tree is lost after shutting down. (Maybe I am spoiled? due to my old iAudio player, which was really perfect for audiobook lovers ;-| )

If playback has stopped there is no current playback position, thus there is nothing to save.

[Chronon]

There is also a patch to pause between tracks here:
http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9114

[Graviton]

I didn't suggest using the sleep timer. Just add the first track to the playlist, so that the playlist contains only one file. It will play. Once it's done, add the second track. It will play. etc. No need to use a timer.

Yes, in theory this is possible. But in practice it is extremely in-ergonomic. I would be adding a single track to a single-file tracklist all the time. (When in the process of falling asleep this is simply not practicable).

[I don't need playlists by the way. I always listen sequentially through audio books. I only need basic ergonomic functions not to lose to position where I left last time. No automatic pause after each track and and a sleep timer (to have at least a work around), which is not static, are a reason to sell my player :| (If I don't want to - or am not able to - fiddle around with patches...]

If playback has stopped there is no current playback position, thus there is nothing to save.

Losing the position in a (many-level) folder tree can be very uncomfortable. My old player resumed at the right position in the folder tree. (Even when playback stopped automatically at the end of a folder and the player shut down automatically).

As I said, I might be spoiled by my old audiobook-friendly iAudio player. But I'm a bit surprised that (in my personal opionion!) very basic (and important) features were implemented in a 6 year old player, but not in rockbox with the many great advanced options! :| (E.g. speed control is  nicely implemented and some themes are really good!).

Yours, Florian

[torne]

Perhaps you could try the patch in FS#9114 that Chronon suggested and see if that helps it meet your needs? The patch appears to be in reasonably good condition; if it solves your use case then maybe someone can fix any remaining issues with it and get it into the build.

The Rockbox playback system works entirely in terms of playlists, either explicitly created ones or dynamic ones created from folders or database queries; the position in the folder tree is not something that Rockbox preserves. When there's no current playlist (because the last one played to completion) then there is no playback state any more.

Changing this would be difficult, and it's not entirely clear from your description what you expect to be preserved.. I don't understand exactly where you expect it to resume. I assume you're using automatic folder advance?

[nick_p]

No automatic pause after each track and and a sleep timer (to have at least a work around), which is not static, are a reason to sell my player :| (If I don't want to - or am not able to - fiddle around with patches...]

Here's a recent compile for the Clip+ with the persistent sleep timer patch applied. It's probably not going to make you happy, but it was lying about, so what the hell.

http://peskett.co.uk/rockbox/clipplus-sleeptimer-29159.zip

[Graviton]

and it's not entirely clear from your description what you expect to be preserved.. I don't understand exactly where you expect it to resume. I assume you're using automatic folder advance?

Sorry for my bad English, I try to make it clearer with an example:

Let's assume I'm listening to a track inside \AUDIOBOOKS\Literature\Mann\Zauberberg\CD3. When all tracks in folder CD3 have been played, playback stops and the player does an auto shutdown after a while. When I switch it on again, I have to manually go to \AUDIOBOOKS\Literature\Mann\Zauberberg\CD4 (or CD3). My old player started with the first track inside folder CD4 - I liked this very much! But this is not a huge problem! As I said, many features for rockbox are really great!! Maybe I'm too much a Pawlov dog conditioned to the behaviour of my old MP3-player?   

Thanks for your friendly and fast replies and help!!

Yours, Florian

[torne]

OK, I understand. So, what you probably want to do is instead of playing a track in CD3 to start (which creates a dynamic playlist containing just the tracks in that folder), start off by long-pressing on the Zauberberg folder and inserting that into a playlist. You'll get a playlist which contains the entire audiobook, then, instead of only one CD. That way, bookmarking and resuming will work across the entire audiobook, and your playback position will be remember as you want (it will only go away if you get to the end of the last CD, which since it's the end of the book is probably okay).

Does that help any? Possibly combined with the pause after each track patch?