Hierarchy

[soap]

And are iPods really that hard to use? Everyone I know have been able to just pick up an iPod (regardless of whether or not they've used one before or not) and use it...

I think they are non-literal, and for a certain subset of the population that equals very non-intuitive.  Of the four people (myself included (iPod was my first MP3 player)) I witnessed using an iPod for the first time - all found it non-intuitive.

That's not to say we didn't find it easy after the initial hurdles, but Menu=back and Play=forward in menus?  You'll never convince me that is intuitive.  Not when you have Left (western backwards) and Right (western forwards) arrows so prominent on the front.

[Eugene C]

...but Menu=back and Play=forward in menus?  You'll never convince me that is intuitive.  Not when you have Left (western backwards) and Right (western forwards) arrows so prominent on the front.

Say what? It's Menu=back and Center-click=forward in menus.

[soap]

...but Menu=back and Play=forward in menus?  You'll never convince me that is intuitive.  Not when you have Left (western backwards) and Right (western forwards) arrows so prominent on the front.

Say what? It's Menu=back and Center-click=forward in menus.

I misspoke, you are correct, but that dilutes the point not one bit.

EDIT:
I blame the sheer inescapable awesomeness of Rockbox for my fading familiarity with the Apple OS.  It's been years since I've seen it. 

EDIT2:
Thank goddess.

[Strife89]

If I pick up a friend's iPod to look through their music, I always hit Prev instead of Menu to go back up a step, and I always try to go back to the Now Playing screen with Play.

Rockbox's layout and keymaps just make too much sense in my opinion. The problem with newcomers to the firmware is that they are too used to the OF's keymaps/menu structure. Rockbox is designed by geeks (if you'll pardon the term) and for geeks who know what feels natural to them, rather then using solely what they were used to before Rockbox.

[Eugene C]

Well, what we feel is natural is odd to someone else, and what others feel is natural is odd for us.

Perhaps it's only a matter of opinion?

[JdGordon]

indeed, but the apple OF doesnt use what is natural.. you only think it feels natural because you have grown accustomed to it.

also, just to see Alex get violent I'm swapping the files and database order in svn!

[Eugene C]

also, just to see Alex get violent I'm swapping the files and database order in svn!

Aren't you nice.

[AlexP]

also, just to see Alex get violent I'm swapping the files and database order in svn!

I think I'd have problems getting a stick through customs into Oz, so there will be a slight delay in justice while I get a flight over there and then locate a stick.  Rest assured however, your uppance will come!

Well, what we feel is natural is odd to someone else, and what others feel is natural is odd for us.

Perhaps it's only a matter of opinion?

Opinion, and what you are used to.  As has already been stated by others, I didn't find the ipod too hard to use once I was shown how, but intuitive?  No way.  Menu for back for example!

[Strife89]

also, just to see Alex get violent I'm swapping the files and database order in svn!

I think I'd have problems getting a stick through customs into Oz, so there will be a slight delay in justice while I get a flight over there and then locate a stick.  Rest assured however, your uppance will come!

A stick will not suffice, find a hammer instead!