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Offline TheAlmightyGuru

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Undelete in Rockbox?
« on: March 22, 2010, 11:20:17 AM »
I accidentally deleted a song in rockbox using the context menu. I checked the manual, and I don't see any mention of an undelete feature, but I also don't see any mention that deleting is permanent.

Any chance of getting the song back?
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Offline evilnick

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Re: Undelete in Rockbox?
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2010, 11:24:38 AM »
You *should* be able to run an undelete utility from your PC when the player is connected, but make sure not to write anything new to the disk first.
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Offline TheAlmightyGuru

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Re: Undelete in Rockbox?
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2010, 11:35:22 AM »
I didn't know if Rockbox had a built-in recycling bin or not. I was able to get the song back with the program, "Undelete Plus". Thanks for the pro tip!
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Offline bluebrother

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Re: Undelete in Rockbox?
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2010, 12:51:42 PM »
Quote from: TheAlmightyGuru on March 22, 2010, 11:35:22 AM
I didn't know if Rockbox had a built-in recycling bin or not.

It does not. It wouldn't make much sens anyway.
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Offline gulak

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Re: Undelete in Rockbox?
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2010, 03:29:17 PM »
Quote from: bluebrother on March 22, 2010, 12:51:42 PM
Quote from: TheAlmightyGuru on March 22, 2010, 11:35:22 AM
I didn't know if Rockbox had a built-in recycling bin or not.

It does not. It wouldn't make much sens anyway.

A recycle bin makes perfectly sense. Imagine you deleted 100 files over the time. This results in 100 times delete and 100 clicks to confirm the deletion.

With a recycle bin there's no need for confirmation on delete, only when you want to empty the recycle bin. This saves you 99 clicks (neglecting the clicks to go to the recycle bin and open the context menu to empty the bin)!
Another advantage is that there's less likely to delete a file by mistake.
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Offline saratoga

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Re: Undelete in Rockbox?
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2010, 03:31:19 PM »
Since usually people have another copy of everything on their mp3 player anyway it doesn't really make sense.
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Offline gulak

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Re: Undelete in Rockbox?
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2010, 03:34:11 PM »
Quote from: saratoga on March 22, 2010, 03:31:19 PM
Since usually people have another copy of everything on their mp3 player anyway it doesn't really make sense.
Saving the clicks is still there. The question is more if it is worth the additional code, but not a question of sense.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2010, 03:39:43 PM by gulak »
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Offline ZincAlloy

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Re: Undelete in Rockbox?
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2010, 03:41:28 PM »
Not necessarily. If you want to delete a single file you'd need to delete it and then empty the recycle bin. For 100 files at a time it would be much more comfortoble to plug into a computer and delete them all at once.
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Offline gulak

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Re: Undelete in Rockbox?
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2010, 03:44:55 PM »
Quote from: ZincAlloy on March 22, 2010, 03:41:28 PM
Not necessarily. If you want to delete a single file you'd need to delete it and then empty the recycle bin. For 100 files at a time it would be much more comfortoble to plug into a computer and delete them all at once.
Please read my post again. Hint: "over the time".

Btw, I don't use the Windows recycle bin at all. But saying it makes no sense is still wrong.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2010, 03:50:10 PM by gulak »
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Offline saratoga

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Re: Undelete in Rockbox?
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2010, 03:47:03 PM »
I meant having any undelete feature at all.  Its not something that makes sense given what rockbox does.
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Offline bluebrother

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Re: Undelete in Rockbox?
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2010, 04:16:29 PM »
Quote from: gulak on March 22, 2010, 03:29:17 PM
A recycle bin makes perfectly sense. Imagine you deleted 100 files over the time. This results in 100 times delete and 100 clicks to confirm the deletion.

Please read my post carefully. I was talking about Rockbox, not a recycle bin in general. And for Rockbox it wouldn't make much sense simply because if you delete a file from the player you want it deleted. That file has been synced from the PC anyway, so there is really no need to keep a "recycle bin copy".

Besides, Windows asks you if you want to delete a file or move it to the recycle bin depending if you disabled the recycle bin or not (or deleting with shift hold), so you have that 100 clicks in both cases. With the recycle bin you also need to empty the recycle bin later (another click). So what's the point of your clicking argument?
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Offline gulak

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Re: Undelete in Rockbox?
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2010, 05:23:19 PM »
Quote from: bluebrother on March 22, 2010, 04:16:29 PM
Please read my post carefully. I was talking about Rockbox, not a recycle bin in general.
Noone is talking about a recycle bin in general:
Quote from: bluebrother on March 22, 2010, 12:51:42 PM
Quote from: TheAlmightyGuru on March 22, 2010, 11:35:22 AM
I didn't know if Rockbox had a built-in recycling bin or not.

It does not. It wouldn't make much sens anyway.

Quote from: bluebrother on March 22, 2010, 04:16:29 PM
And for Rockbox it wouldn't make much sense simply because if you delete a file from the player you want it deleted.
Not everyone is as perfect as you. At least I had more than once mistakenly deleted files and it looks like I'm not the only one.

Quote from: bluebrother on March 22, 2010, 04:16:29 PM
That file has been synced from the PC anyway, so there is really no need to keep a "recycle bin copy".
I assume you don't have a player with a recorder.

Quote from: bluebrother on March 22, 2010, 04:16:29 PM
Besides, Windows asks you if you want to delete a file or move it to the recycle bin depending if you disabled the recycle bin or not (or deleting with shift hold), so you have that 100 clicks in both cases. With the recycle bin you also need to empty the recycle bin later (another click). So what's the point of your clicking argument?
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Quote from: gulak on March 22, 2010, 03:29:17 PM
With a recycle bin there's no need for confirmation on delete, only when you want to empty the recycle bin. This saves you 99 clicks (neglecting the clicks to go to the recycle bin and open the context menu to empty the bin)!
Is it really that hard to understand?

Quote from: bluebrother on March 22, 2010, 04:16:29 PM
Please read my post carefully.
LOL, you're the right one to say it.

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Offline saratoga

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Re: Undelete in Rockbox?
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2010, 05:29:09 PM »
I think theres general agreement that this isn't going to be accepted, so rather then have people bicker about nothing, I'm closing it.
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