PictureFlow shortcut in Main Menu

[PaulPosition]

Well I can see the additions confusing matter for a blind user being guided through menus ("down three times, select, are you there?, then select again...") but it could easily be avoided by having the added menu items only be appended to the end of the list no matter how menu is usually sorted.

[Chronon]

I have some uncertainty about how the voice system would deal with new menu branches.

[Llorean]

We already have a shortcuts "feature", in a sense. Why not have a "Shortcuts" option in the main menu that takes the user to a list of shortcuts. These could be links to other menus, links to folders, or what not. Everything under "Shortcuts" is essentially a custom menu (mostly constructed by use of shortcut files, and possible folders of shortcut files to represent nested menus) but no customization outside of that?

While this isn't all out customization, it would be a similar degree of functionality, voicing would simply be dependent upon the regular file name / folder name voicing, and since we'd know exactly where customization could take place it would always be possible to avoid or work around it when providing support.

Part of the issue, of course, is the snowball effect. Providing support *just* for appended things at the end of the list is relatively minor. But in six months people will certainly start asking for more, especially people who aren't around now and don't know that the appended entries are a compromise. The question will go "if we can add them to the end, why not the middle? It's basically the same thing."

It's the "give them an inch, they'll take a mile" effect.

But if you say "customization is only offered within this screen, and limited to what you can create shortcuts to" then people will often ask for better shortcut support, and the ability to shortcut to more types. Something I don't think anyone would really object to over time.

[JdGordon]

in theory it is possible to build a menu from all the available menu options pretty simply (code wise), voiceing them is no problem at all, and adding something so plugins could be exectued is dead simple also...

I certainly wouldn't be against adding a "custom menu" at the end of the existing main menu, maybe even letting the user set that as the start screen (we could force that there is an option in the custom menu to go to the real main menu in code...)

[MajiKool Dragonâ„¢]

i was wondering... why are the items in the main menu in the order they are?
and are we completely against making this order user changeable?

[JdGordon]

somewhat artibtrary choices, and yes most of th devs are hugely against changing the order

[AlexP]

somewhat artibtrary choices, and yes most of th devs are hugely against changing the order

Against having them user-configurable at least

[MajiKool Dragonâ„¢]

frankly, i liked the order Kugel had them in in his build.

Recent Bookmarks
Files
Database
Playlists
Recording
Resume Playback
FM Radio
Plugins
Settings
System


but, i think that this ordering would be best:

Recent Bookmarks
Files
Database
Playlists
Resume Playback
FM Radio
Recording
Plugins
Settings
System

 


edit: i think this is something that should be talked about and voted on.

edit 2: my idea is this we ask people how they'd like the ordering, then the almighty forum gods would pick out the reasonable ones and have us vote on it.

[gevaerts]

edit 2: my idea is this we ask people how they'd like the ordering, then the almighty forum gods would pick out the reasonable ones and have us vote on it.

I don't know if you're aware of it, but the name "rockbox" was decided on in a vote. The winning entry was "orpheus".

(in other words : rockbox is not a democracy)

[MajiKool Dragonâ„¢]

well i'm glad it didn't end up being called "orpheus".
that would have been weird.

but, how else are we to decide on a reasonable ordering of these menu items if not by a vote?

i really do think that the current ordering of these items makes no logical sense.

[AlexP]

By what the developers consider reasonable (and a large amount of inertia).

[MajiKool Dragonâ„¢]

how exactly was it decided that the current ordering was reasonable.

i mean... why is Playlists so far away from Database and Resume Playback where i'm sure people would agree it should be.

they are related items. thus they should be together.

and Settings should be by System.

[Llorean]

Why should they be near each other just because they're related?

Generally speaking even if you're a heavy playlist user, you don't need to enter "Playlists" too often, for example. Part of the ordering has to do with frequency or likelihood of use in the opinions of the devs.

I mean, it's pretty clear people will have a different opinion on this anyway. I mean you think Orpheus would be "just weird" but the majority preferred it. Even if the majority (that votes) prefers a specific layout doesn't mean it will be the best one.

So why not figure out what problem you're trying to solve first. If there's not actually a problem with the current one, it doesn't really need changing.

[MajiKool Dragonâ„¢]

no there's no problem.

originally i was hoping for the ordering to be user configurable, but i hear that's on the nodo list.
there's nothing really wrong with the current ordering. in my opinion, i just think it could be a bit more organized.

[Llorean]

"Organized" doesn't really mean anything on its own. Organized on what basis?