PictureFlow shortcut in Main Menu

[sic-ever]

I didn't know where to place this topic, so it landed here.

Is somehow possible to make this kind of shortcut directly to plugin? Maybe use "record key" for this purpose. Or make Pictureflow as alternative method of viewing albums in library? (Some sort of opiton in settings).

I'm happy user of Sansa E260 and use bulid downloaded by Rockbox Utility. Sansa perfectly works with Winamp as remote control by usb cable. It's very useful eg. in games. Huge respect for this.

Best regards,
sic-ever

[Chronon]

I moved this to feature ideas, as it's not possible to do this now. 

Generally, custom keymaps and menus are on the No Do list.  However, it might be worthwhile to discuss the merits of making it more accessible in some other way.

[j8048188]

what about a key that switches back and forth between the WPS and Pictureflow?

[raudonkepuraite]

Generally, custom keymaps and menus are on the No Do list...

I just dont get it  ... why not? There are no such things in "No Do" list on wiki. This would be VERY useful ( I mean to have shortcuts on main menu AND to be able to customise it... ) For example: I need no playlists or system functions in main menu! I hate to see "##MUSIC#" and "##PORT#" folders when I hit Files. I would like to have Music, Now Playing, Photos, Videos and Settings (and probably some shortcuts to plugins on main menu... on the other hand, there is no need to have now playing or resume playback since all this can altered just by pressing play key...) And this is all because I DONT NEED other functions in my daily use. Now, it would be nice to have a quick menu to place other settings or functions like Recordings, Fm, Files and etc...
Many people ask for customisable menus.. so why not?

Oh...And sorry for my English.

[saratoga]

Many people ask for customisable menus.. so why not?

We've basically decided it would be too annoying to support, so we don't put it in the official builds.  We don't mind if people do it in unsupported builds, since then we don't have to deal with it.

[Chronon]

what about a key that switches back and forth between the WPS and Pictureflow?

Which button on which player(s)?  Some players have difficulties with lack of buttons already.  One thought I had was perhaps allowing PictureFlow to be entered from the Quick Menu (although it isn't a setting, so doesn't really belong there under the current scheme).

[raudonkepuraite]

Saratoga(or someone ), can You please explain me what makes it so difficult to support it? ( I just want to understand... because I still dont get it )

[Chronon]

As saratoga mentioned, people are free to roll their own builds of Rockbox with whatever changes they like.  In order to receive assistance on the forums or report bugs, however, it is asked that certain conditions are met.  These include using a current build (or the most recent release).  An example of where custom keymaps could cause problems is someone inadvertently making certain actions inaccessible and mistaking the subsequent behavior for a fault in Rockbox (rather than their choice of keymap).  I'm sure you can imagine how this can make troubleshooting more difficult and lead to an increased number of invalid bug reports.

[linuxstb]

For what it's worth, I'm not against the idea of customisable buttons or menus, as long as that customisation is restricted to adding to existing keymaps or menus, and not changing what's there already.

e.g. a feature to allow a user to add extra menu items to the main menu (but not delete any of the existing ones, unless those items were also available somewhere else) seems high on a lot of users' wishlists. 

I don't think we should force people to go to unofficial builds for such things.  If Apple can support a customisable main menu on ipods, then surely we can.

Whilst people often say this is a "no-do", it's not actually listed on the Rockbox NoDo page:

http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NoDo

[GodEater]

I don't think we should force people to go to unofficial builds for such things.  If Apple can support a customisable main menu on ipods, then surely we can.

Apple pay their support staff however - we do not pay ours.

Personally, if did start introducing customisable menus I'd stop answering questions about where to find things that people posted here, as the pain of trying to work out where they're trying to access it from would just be too frustrating for me.

So if someone wants to introduce this as a feature, then they're volunteering to do sole support for it in my opinion.

[Multiplex]

Personally, if did start introducing customisable menus I'd stop answering questions about where to find things that people posted here

I think that's the point linuxstb was trying to make by saying we should only allow adding.

The original options will always be there, there may just be some extra ones.

It might be a small issue if they are allowed to be inserted into an existing menu as opposed to being added at the end - you won't be able to say "the 4th option down",  but "Settings" will always be there.

[raudonkepuraite]

Apple pay their support staff however - we do not pay ours.

Guys, if you wont do it for money- do it for the BEER. Well... you know, the better the rockbox is, the more people there will be using it... so, more people means more donations... and more donations means more BEER during dev confs  ...

...and I still dont see any difficulties in supporting additional menu stuff

Anyway, I dream of XML based menus. Is that possible? 

[Chronon]

For what it's worth, I'm not against the idea of customisable buttons or menus, as long as that customisation is restricted to adding to existing keymaps or menus, and not changing what's there already.

I would tend to agree that as long as there's an immutable set of menus and actions mapped to keys, adding things to this doesn't seem as problematic.  Of course, it's hard to predict all the behaviors that can arise by mapping multiple actions to a given button press.  At least, things like resetting settings should be always doable in this case.

[GodEater]

...and I still dont see any difficulties in supporting additional menu stuff

Because you're not providing that support.

Anyway, I dream of XML based menus. Is that possible? 

Seriously, no way. XML is a complete abortion, and thoroughly thoroughly overkill for our menus.

[linuxstb]

Because you're not providing that support.

I really don't understand your objections.  Can you give an example of a scenario where having the ability to add extra items to the main menu will cause the kind of support nightmares you're saying will happen?

My earlier point about Apple was that they have millions of users and are not going to add features which they think will confuse their users.  This kind of menu customisation is one of those features, and I just don't see how it can be a problem.

But maybe I've missed something obvious...