Rockbox Max Volume Lowered?

[ThaCrip]

i noticed that the volume seems to be lowered in Rockbox as it goes usually from something like -20ish to +20ish but right now i cant go past +6db.

any idea what's wrong?

p.s. im currently using r21236

[yapper]

+6dB as a max is correct

[ThaCrip]

+6dB as a max is correct

was this changed recently? ... because it used to be +20 range or so... which is what i want it to be back to since volume is limited when @ +6 in some cases.

[Febs]

It was never +20.

[Llorean]

Seriously, if you're listening at even +6 you're probably causing serious damage to your ears.

Assuming the player in question is the e250 mentioned in your posts, since it was first supported volume has gone up to only +6, which is the full range of the hardware itself. Anything above 0 is likely to suffer distortion though, as well as being bad for your hearing.

[ThaCrip]

i know +6 sounds like it was high but it's mainly on a particular .flac file that seems to have low output volume that +6 seems a little low at times when a room etc is noisy.

in general +6 is more than enough though... it's mainly for a particular song i got in .flac format and if the area im in is semi-noisy.

hell i guess it's always been +6 but i could have sworn it was higher but apparently im mistaken.

thanks for your time.

p.s. i dont have bad hearing or anything and i know +6 is normally loudish especially on mp3 files.

[saratoga]

i know +6 sounds like it was high but it's mainly on a particular .flac file that seems to have low output volume that +6 seems a little low at times when a room etc is noisy.

Look up replaygain.  It was created to solve this problem.

[Febs]

p.s. i dont have bad hearing or anything

You will.

[ThaCrip]

p.s. i dont have bad hearing or anything

You will.

like i say it's only because of that particular file that i had to turn up volume that high and that noise in the room etc where higher.

in general in a quiet-ish room i have the volume MUCH lower (because if i had it that high in a quiet room it would be uncomfortable). hence no hearing loss

because i dont think ill lose much hearing in general as i still got good hearing and im almost 30 years old... so if i been listening to anything to loud over the last 10-15 years you would have thought i would have lost some hearing by now if i was going to happen. (besides old age of course)

but thanks to everyone for there suggestions.

[saratoga]

p.s. i dont have bad hearing or anything

You will.

like i say it's only because of that particular file that i had to turn up volume that high and that noise in the room etc where higher.

As I said we provide a solution to that problem.  Consider using it rather then explaining to us that you have failed to do so.

[Febs]

in general in a quiet-ish room i have the volume MUCH lower (because if i had it that high in a quiet room it would be uncomfortable). hence no hearing loss

Implicit in this statement is an admission that in a louder environment, you keep your volume at a level that is "uncomfortable" in other circumstances.  This means that in louder environments, you are subjecting your ears to BOTH the "uncomfortable" volume level plus the ambient noise.  Because of a phenomenon known as "threshold shift," you might not perceive the volume as being uncomfortable in a noisy environment, but it is still potentially harmful to your hearing.  Depending on the length of exposure to those levels and the amount of exposure you have to other noise sources, this could result in noise-induced hearing loss.

The fact that you are almost thirty and do not yet have any hearing loss, assuming it is true, does not mean that you cannot or  will not develop hearing loss with prolonged exposure to high sound pressure levels.

There are a number of resources on the web where you can learn more about hearing loss and how to prevent it.  Here is one:

http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/hearing/noise.asp

[BruceHP]

If your problem is only with one track/recording session you could put this track in an editor and boost the gain.

Turn on/off replaygain in Rockbox.  Depending on the group of music it was analyzed with it may be set to -9db or so.

If you are using the Rockbox EQ you might also check the Pre-cut setting. 

[ThaCrip]

in general in a quiet-ish room i have the volume MUCH lower (because if i had it that high in a quiet room it would be uncomfortable). hence no hearing loss

Implicit in this statement is an admission that in a louder environment, you keep your volume at a level that is "uncomfortable" in other circumstances.  This means that in louder environments, you are subjecting your ears to BOTH the "uncomfortable" volume level plus the ambient noise.  Because of a phenomenon known as "threshold shift," you might not perceive the volume as being uncomfortable in a noisy environment, but it is still potentially harmful to your hearing.  Depending on the length of exposure to those levels and the amount of exposure you have to other noise sources, this could result in noise-induced hearing loss.

The fact that you are almost thirty and do not yet have any hearing loss, assuming it is true, does not mean that you cannot or  will not develop hearing loss with prolonged exposure to high sound pressure levels.

There are a number of resources on the web where you can learn more about hearing loss and how to prevent it.  Here is one:

http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/hearing/noise.asp

i see your point and your pretty much right but even when it's louder it's not like blowing my ear drum out loud it's just louder than i would prefer it to be plus i dont have any fancy headset or anything as it's just a basic cheap decent pair of headphones that you could find at wal-mart etc.

but like i say it's primarily one .flac song that has the low volume like i was saying.

but anyways... what's the general decibel volume that can start causing hearing damage? ... like 80-90db range for extended periods of time? (i suppose i could search around on google )

and as far as i can tell, maybe im wrong but i think i can usually tell if something is clearly on the potential hearing loss side like i had a little mini chopper motorcycle and when it was going full throttle (does about 30mph) the exhaust pipe noise im pretty sure was not good for my right ears hearing because i would drive it down like 1 mile and back and i could actually notice that my right ear (which is the side the pipe was on) was clearly not at a safe db range but i put in ear plugs after not much exposure to that sorta stuff or i notice to a smaller degree when riding a lawn mower (for a hour or two) after getting off of it everything temporarily sounds weird (dont really know how to explain it but im guessing it's approaching unsafe levels give or take) ... but i dont have any of that sorta stuff when listening to the DAP so im assuming i would be safe enough although i suppose that if your just touching the unsafe levels that it might not be as noticeable... like i say im not a expert on the stuff, im just going by my own experiences etc

i know my dad's hearing is clearly not 'normal' as he has his tested not long ago but i think most of his hearing loss was over the years and years of loud engines etc etc without any form of hearing protection so my guess is as long as i dont do nothing extreme my hearing should be decent when i get there ages down the road... but then again i figure most older people probably have at least some hearing loss vs younger people in general.

but anyways thanks for the link i will check it out.

just some thoughts as i was sorta drifting off topic i guess

p.s. @ BruceHP... thanks for the suggestions but since it's only 1 song ill probably just leave it as is since even though it's slightly annoying readjusting the volume level when listening to that track and then turning it back down when it's not it's not a huge problem for me as i guess i only made this thread thinking that the plus side of the volume in Rockbox was higher than 6 but obviously i was mistaken.