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My music collection vs. FAT
Llorean:
Are you volunteering to create this script?
You seem to forget - it's a community project. You're pretty much the first person to really complain about the filename issue. Clearly it's not a major concern. And it sounds like you have no interest in fixing it - neither did anyone else who may have encountered it, so it's readily apparent how much those of you with this problem actually care about it.
As to the sound quality issue? If you don't mind, I couldn't care less. I was just suggesting a way you could get around filename concerns without the need to transcode.
As to the various RBUtil issues you've mentioned? We've had thousands of people install on iPod Videos without those issues. So, maybe you could let us know about anything unique in your environment or setup that may have contributed to these problems.
I mean, seriously, 18 hours? Why didn't you come and ask for help after 1? I've installed Rockbox on an iPod Video on Ubuntu myself without issue, and it was as simple as point, click, wait for a build to download, done. Problems like you've described are the aberration, not the norm, and proper bug reports from people who actually care enough to try to contribute and reproduce the problem are the only way they get fixed.
We can't fix issues if we don't have someone experiencing the problem to provide actual feedback.
burz:
Oh please, even your basic download and doc links are busted. Am I supposed to believe that you've been testing each release on a virgin system? Just because someone got it to install 3 months ago doesn't mean last week's 'tiny' increment of a release will work at all.
And yes, I know about volunteering. I've done it several times before. But you are sitting there with more roadblocks for novice users strewn about than a 10-car pileup. Now, I can surmount all of them with enough time and research, but at that point I think about suggesting the product to my friends and family and realize they are totally excluded by this environment.
And that's also why you may not have heard of this filename complaint before... your project has perhaps become self-selecting toward people with admin skills. If you are skeptical about that, just look at how automatically (even forcefully) you just tried to pull an end-user into the role of volunteer coder. You want a script from me? What am I contributing it to?? Yet another FOSS project with no documented requirements and use cases (poor methodology) and a half-broken front doorstep.
...and that confusion over roles.
I'm writing all this because I care very much about the FOSS concept, but get a bit nonplussed when I try a product and the userbase is implied in a cowardly manner to be skilled technicians and computer enthusiasts (instead of, say, general music enthusiasts).
saratoga:
--- Quote from: burz on June 10, 2009, 12:12:22 AM ---Oh please, even your basic download and doc links are busted.
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They work fine for me. Perhaps you have some issues with your hardware? It would explain why you can't run the installer.
--- Quote from: burz on June 10, 2009, 12:12:22 AM --- Am I supposed to believe that you've been testing each release on a virgin system? Just because someone got it to install 3 months ago doesn't mean last week's 'tiny' increment of a release will work at all.
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Actually, releases don't change, so if it installed 3 months ago, I would expect it to install now, baring some bugs introduced by your linux distro since then.
--- Quote from: burz on June 10, 2009, 12:12:22 AM ---I've done it several times before. But you are sitting there with more roadblocks for novice users strewn about than a 10-car pileup. Now, I can surmount all of them with enough time and research, but at that point I think about suggesting the product to my friends and family and realize they are totally excluded by this environment.
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Nonsense. We have very good documentation and easy to use install tools.
--- Quote from: burz on June 10, 2009, 12:12:22 AM ---And that's also why you may not have heard of this filename complaint before... your project has perhaps become self-selecting toward people with admin skills.
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Wouldn't that increase the likelihood of people complaining? Presumably people without admin skills aren't the ones pushing the limits of their file system.
--- Quote from: burz on June 10, 2009, 12:12:22 AM --- If you are skeptical about that, just look at how automatically (even forcefully) you just tried to pull an end-user into the role of volunteer coder.
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Of course! We're a volunteer project! The whole idea is to expand the project by getting more end users to volunteer. Surely you're familiar with how volunteer projects work?
--- Quote from: burz on June 10, 2009, 12:12:22 AM --- You want a script from me? What am I contributing it to?? Yet another FOSS project with no documented requirements and use cases (poor methodology) and a half-broken front doorstep.
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Actually we have very well documented code, a wiki, detailed manuals, and of course these forums.
--- Quote from: burz on June 10, 2009, 12:12:22 AM ---...and that confusion over roles.
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I think you're a little confused.
--- Quote from: burz on June 10, 2009, 12:12:22 AM ---I'm writing all this because I care very much about the FOSS concept,
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Thats the only reason you're writing it? really?
--- Quote from: burz on June 10, 2009, 12:12:22 AM --- but get a bit nonplussed when I try a product and the userbase is implied in a cowardly manner to be skilled technicians and computer enthusiasts (instead of, say, general music enthusiasts).
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First of all, I think that implication was yours.
Second of all, I don't think an implication can really be cowardly.
But more importantly, you're complaining that software for hacking hardware is aimed at enthusiasts? Have you considered what kind of people become enthusiastic about hacking hardware? Many are enthusiasts!
Llorean:
Could you tell me which documentation links are broken, exactly?
If I click "Manual" on the left side of this page, then click on any of the PDFs, they seem to work for me.
If I download RBUtil right now, it autodetects the three different players of mine I tried it with, and installs on them.
Maybe you could try being specific rather than saying "everything is broken" and expecting someone to be interested in your complete lack of details.
Maybe your ISP is having DNS issues, because all the links work for me. Please, if they're all so broken, post some of the broken links for the rest of us to see?
The install process, for the vast majority of our users, is "download rbutil, let it autodetect your player, click full install." You may not believe yours is a unique case, but believe me, it is.
If you don't want to help, fine. It's pretty clear you posted here just to whine, since so far you haven't given a single detail that's actually useful for tracking down a bug, you've just made over the top claims about basically nothing working, claimed you spent 18 hours on something that tens of thousands of users have accomplished before, and basically made a nuisance of yourself.
If you really care about FOSS, post some bug reports and posts in sections of the forums they actually belong in describing what *actually* happened, without the generalizations, so people can track down specific problems and improve things.
But if you want to just complain some more, without providing any useful information, save me the effort from having to clean up after you and just don't bother posting in the first place.
We welcome useful feedback, even if negative, but just saying "it doesn't work for me" and not providing any sort of details doesn't help anyone, and calling us names doesn't help your case in the slightest. It's pretty clear for everyone to see you've lost your temper over an issue that could've been handled reasonably.
bluebrother:
--- Quote from: burz on June 10, 2009, 12:12:22 AM ---I'm writing all this because I care very much about the FOSS concept, but get a bit nonplussed when I try a product
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Rockbox is not a product. Period. Neither is Rockbox Utility.
Let me repeat it again: Rockbox is not a product.
--- Quote from: burz on June 09, 2009, 11:08:11 PM ---
--- Quote ---The native iPod firmware's going to require renaming of the files too.
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What a coincidence: The iPod has an accompanying app that will do the renaming for me!
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Fine, but what's the point? Use another application that does the renaming. Or even use Itunes.
As for Linux, amarok for example has a "FAT-safe filenames" option when renaming files. You really think there aren't applications around that do such a renaming already?
--- Quote from: burz on June 09, 2009, 09:46:52 PM ---I think this brief experiment with RB is coming to an end. I share some of my fiancee's music collection which I am not allowed to rename, so copying files will be necessary.
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Putting files on the Ipod does require copying anyway, so what's the point? Or do you seriously want to move the files, loosing any backup on the PC?
--- Quote from: burz on June 09, 2009, 11:08:11 PM ---I suggest you make a script or module in the RB Utility to perform copying and renaming of files for the user.
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I suggest you making yourself familiar with the goals of that tool. Then you'll realize why we do not add a "copying and renaming" "module" in Rockbox Utility and why we don't want it. I also suggest you looking around on the web if there are any applications around that already do what you want. Maybe already existing applications are a reason to not duplicate the work in Rockbox Utility but concentrate on its main purpose: easy and end user proof installation?
If you care about OSS as you said you already know where to look so I don't need to give you pointer.
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