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burz:
Has anyone thought of the usecase where a person with song files that accurately reflect the music title in the filename tries to copy those files to the Rockbox-mandated FAT filesystem?

I read the RB-iPod FAQ about transferring, but it doesn't address filename pitfalls.

Llorean:
Yes, and a common response to that use case is "files can be renamed, we have no interest in supporting multiple filesystems."

burz:
OK. And I take it there is no suggested or preferred method for renaming on offer for, say, Ubuntu?

I think this brief experiment with RB is coming to an end. I share some of my fiancee's music collection which I am not allowed to rename, so copying files will be necessary. Might as well convert all of the ogg to m4a in an iPod staging area and use the native ipod firmware.

Incidentally, your RBU installer is badly broken on OSX 10.5 but I don't have the time to describe it...

Llorean:
The native iPod firmware's going to require renaming of the files too. If you're willing to go through that, why not just use Rockbox's database? Then you can see the original, unmodified track names, in effect the same as the apple firmware, without having to transcode and lose audio quality?

As to our installer being broken, I'm glad to see that you're willing to take thousands of hours of other peoples' work and not even put in five minutes to type up an error description and bug report yourself to help improve it.

burz:

--- Quote ---The native iPod firmware's going to require renaming of the files too.
--- End quote ---
What a coincidence: The iPod has an accompanying app that will do the renaming for me!

And if you were that concerned about losing audio quality, you would have a... um... 'solution' or migration path in place for a user with FOSS formated music files ripped and stored on a FOSS software stack sometime in recent history (post 2001, using non-FAT filesystem on PC). iPod-iTunes took care of their own users on their proprietary software stack.


--- Quote ---As to our installer being broken, I'm glad to see that you're willing to take thousands of hours of other peoples' work...
--- End quote ---
Taking it? I thought I was leaving it.

And that time investment issue is a two way street: I'm sitting here with my one little life and have spent nearly 18hrs just getting RB onto a dead common Gen.5 ipod, first with Ubuntu then with OS X. I dare you to multiply that kind of time wastage by the number of people trying out this version of your product.

Here's the scoop: As soon as the utility finishes with the bootloader install, the device is re-mounted improperly and what was /Volumes/IPOD becomes /Volumes/IPOD (empty mountpoint dir) + /Volumes/IPOD 1 (remounted filesystem) and the .rockbox stuff gets copied into the moribund /Volumes/IPOD directory. This is on an iBook G4 1.2Ghz with the latest Leopard update and very little added outside of some Mozilla and VPN stuff.

Also, the link to the Linux64 download is wrong (points to wrong release, which also isn't even recognized by tar). Links to documentation within the utility try to grab from a web address that doesn't exist. And the utility doesn't say what to do next after the install finishes (eject drive, reset, what??).

I suggest you make a script or module in the RB Utility to perform copying and renaming of files for the user. Another possible path could be to creating a hierarchy of renamed file links to the actual music.

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