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Why use hold switch to load original firmware?

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Llorean:
Dual boot may  be a safety precaution, but it needs to be one people can actually accomplish.

Some people were simply unable to manage the menu button timing after holding menu and select. You have to remember, this needs to be something anyone can do, not just "most people." The hold toggle is something very, very easy to do.

I don't see, at all, what "following a set of steps" has to do with it. Even if they're following a set of steps, it doesn't change that one method is easier to accomplish than the other.

cool_walking_:
If you're following steps, they can be arbitrary.  They can be picked out so that they don't interfere with normal operation by booting the OF when it's unwanted.

Does simply holding MENU as soon as the iPod starts booting not work?  Do you have to start holding it after the Apple logo or something?

Llorean:
That doesn't address the fact that people had difficulty with it. Arbitrary steps still need to be steps people can readily accomplish. Saying "they can be arbitrary" is true, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have any care when selecting them.

Some people (especially older people) can't respond as quickly to the iPod turning on. Other people (the blind) can't SEE when it turns on, and have no means of feedback.

cool_walking_:

--- Quote from: Llorean on April 20, 2009, 05:09:03 AM ---doesn't mean you shouldn't have any care when selecting them.
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Exactly. Take care that you don't interfere with normal functionality!


--- Quote ---Some people (especially older people) can't respond as quickly to the iPod turning on. Other people (the blind) can't SEE when it turns on, and have no means of feedback.
--- End quote ---

I could always hear the hard drive make a click noise when it first boots.  I think if you have earphones in, you also get a noise from there (IIRC, it was a "pop", then soft staticy noise).  You have  to put the HOLD switch on at a certain time too - after you've reset it.  Per my edit in my previous message, can they not just reset, then straight away hold MENU?

Llorean:
The ONLY "normal" functionality it interferes with is plugging in USB/Power while the hold switch is on. You can get around this by simply turning hold off before you turn it on.


And no, they don't have to turn on hold at a certain time. As we've already established, you can boot into the OF by having hold in before you power up the iPod, so no sign has to be watched for.

The problem with reactions was people not being able to react to the reboot quickly enough. Your haven't addressed that at all with your edit.

Look, it's simple - this is the best compromise. It's clear that you don't have a problem holding menu, so you're unwilling to believe other people have problems with it. They do, accept that. It may be outside your experience, but it happens. Having it on the hold switch makes the whole process vastly more reliable. Yes, it may cause accidental boots into the OF, but it still beats being entirely unable to boot into it if something goes wrong, which is what happens to some people if they can't manage the MENU solution and we remove it.

Meanwhile, the problem you're having with it can be avoided by a half-second action, flicking off the hold switch, before you plug in the iPod. If you really, desperately feel you must avoid the OF, simply install Rockbox without the OF present instead.

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