One button press -> Remove current song from list, jump to next song

[Mosician]

See here. (I add it here again as this is a feature suggestion.)

It is unclear to me why the topic was locked by the administrator Llorean there? How should others discuss this feature then?

By writing "(I did not check the manual for this already.)" I meant not the entire manual, the chapter "4.  Browsing and playing" I checked and could not find anything there.

So in summary it would be nice if admins do not lock too fastly any still relevant ideas.

[Llorean]

If you follow the guidelines, your posts won't get locked quickly. If you'd meant it as a request, you should've posted in this section in the first place. The original post certainly reads as "I couldn't be bothered to look, can Rockbox do this?"

[Mosician]

Sorry my failure, I should be more precise about how I wrote what I already checked in the manual and what not.

( For me it was "I did not check the full manual from beginning to the end"  ~  "I did not check the manual." )

[Llorean]

This is basically a bad idea. A single-button removal (especially one that updates the playlist and/or moves the file) allows for a lot of accidental behaviour.

It only takes a few button presses to either remove a song from the playlist or delete it (and not too many more to do both) and once you've done one or the either, it's only a single button press more to start playing the next song. Meanwhile it's a lot harder to accidentally do it the current way, and there are few (in most cases, none) buttons free for such a feature.

[Mosician]

This is basically a bad idea. A single-button removal (especially one that updates the playlist and/or moves the file) allows for a lot of accidental behaviour.

I understand your arguments.

1.  If we assume everybody in this forum would like and want this feature, basically this should be a very fast to implement idea I think, am I correct with this thinking?

2.  If we assume one of many developers would like and want this feature also, is it possible it would get a special release, or a plugin maybe (if possible), so anyone who wants this modification could use this plugin?

3.  If none of above two what would you recommend me how to start for implementing this feature myself (where to look, what to consider and not to forget)?

It only takes a few button presses to either remove a song from the playlist or delete it (and not too many more to do both) and once you've done one or the either, it's only a single button press more to start playing the next song. Meanwhile it's a lot harder to accidentally do it the current way, and there are few (in most cases, none) buttons free for such a feature.

I prefer the principle "often used features should be as simple as possible" which is for me a direct one press click. The more often you need a feature the more this principle is true for me. Removing songs which I do not like and do not want to waste my time with come here at first place for me. There are too many bad songs out there. 

[Llorean]

You only ever remove bad songs once per song. You pause and start playback, enter the menu, fast forward, rewind, and adjust volume a potentially infinite number of times. These features need a button more than removing a song does.

I would suggest not putting songs on your player if you don't like them.

As for a special release, there isn't going to be an official one. We don't do that. And it doesn't make sense as a plugin (it'd take longer to run the plugin than to just remove the song from the playlist yourself). You could implement it yourself if you feel like learning C.

[Mosician]

You only ever remove bad songs once per song. You pause and start playback, enter the menu, fast forward, rewind, and adjust volume a potentially infinite number of times. These features need a button more than removing a song does.  ...

I looked at some of the button definitions here, e.g. Long Next which is defined as "Fast forward in track" I would like to replace with this functionality as I do not need any fast forward usually ~ in more than 90% of times. (About these things I have other for me more powerful methods, but I might write those ideas later on a separate topic.)

I would suggest not putting songs on your player if you don't like them.

It would be good if the player itself would also support this filtering process. So you could simply take over also any experimental releases on your mobile player to check them out if you feel so. Why should we have to do the prefiltering before somewhere else (e.g. on our desktop computer)? (This is a strong argument, I know.    )

[Llorean]

You can already remove songs on your player. It only takes a couple button pressed to delete a song currently, you can probably do it in less than three seconds.

But this is clearly not something the official version of Rockbox needs on a single button press. Especially in place of fast-forward or a feature like that.

Remember, this is a place to post ideas for features you think would be acceptable for the whole population, not "ideas I want someone to program for my private use."

[Mosician]

You can already remove songs on your player. It only takes a couple button pressed to delete a song currently, you can probably do it in less than three seconds.

I am one of these people who thinks this is not simple enough for its importance. I prefer supersimplicity rather than "it is possible in less than three seconds".

But this is clearly not something the official version of Rockbox needs on a single button press. Especially in place of fast-forward or a feature like that.

For you, yes, for me, not. Sure I am not allowed to talk about the official version of Rockbox.

Remember, this is a place to post ideas for features you think would be acceptable for the whole population, not "ideas I want someone to program for my private use."

I know, nobody has to do anything they do not want.

I am already happy of discovering Rockbox, which means it is possible that I could do it myself (sooner or later). One of the main reasons I still did not buy any mp3 player is I do not like their "standard features". Many people just take what is released/sold, I am not a big fan of it. For simple mp3 listening I can just use my mobile phone, but of a special mp3 player I have much bigger expectations. Sadly many are already used to their "standard features."

For what are you using fast forward that often if I am allowed to ask? I would put e.g. this 3 second clicks away but not as a direct click.

[Llorean]

Fast Forward and Rewind are used to seek within songs, obviously. They both need to be available at the same time, while the progress bar and/or elapsed time is visible to find locations in audio files.

As I said already, deleting is something you need, at most, once per song. The primary use of a player is listening to music, not managing music files, and the WPS button functionality represents this.

Simply, deleting a song is not as important as you think it is in terms of what Rockbox is.

Yes, Rockbox can be made to do things other music software doesn't. But "everyone else does it" doesn't immediately mean we shouldn't. Fast Forward and Rewind are very basic playback functions. "Delete song from playlist" is a feature many, many users will never even use.

[Mosician]

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As I said already, deleting is something you need, at most, once per song. The primary use of a player is listening to music, not managing music files, and the WPS button functionality represents this.
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For me a player should allow listening while at the same time allowing most basic song management in a supersimple way
a)  removing bad songs from the current playlist and
b)  adding good songs to a "favourites list".

... "Delete song from playlist" is a feature many, many users will never even use.

Here I disagree as everybody has at least a "favourites list". Or can you imagine a person having a 120 GB mp3 player which consists only of favourite songs. I can not. Even for 4 GB this gets difficult.

[Llorean]

Adding songs to a favorites list is not what this feature request is about.

You request ways to remove bad songs. I can imagine someone EASILY having 4gb of not-bad songs. And it's also quite easy to create a playlist of your favorites as you go.

This idea was about deleting bad songs, not adding the best ones to a favorites list.

[Mosician]

I mentioned favourites list also because we were writing about (basic) song management.

I have to check also btw. if Rockbox allows adding to a favourites list with one single click which would be just the symmetric opposite of the bad song removing function. Removing bad songs  ~  Ending up with songs you like  ~  Favourite songs.

But I would like to have both ways, entering directly the favourites and just ending up there after a long term "bad songs removal process".

Anyway keep up the good work with Rockbox, now we have discussed almost anything important of this feature idea. Now the readers can make their own opinion.

Right now I am doing all my management exactly as I want using Winamp plus some AutoHotkey customizations. Then I simply copy these favourite selections to my mobile phone and that's it. An mp3 player would get only interesting to me if I could do the same process also in a mobile fashion. So I would need at least this functionality (in a supersimple way). I have even more crazier features for Winamp but as I can feel Rockbox is not the right place to suggest such things.

[Llorean]

Have you even used Rockbox and tried its playlist catalog and song removal features?

They are very simple. They aren't one-button, and they'll never be one-button (there are simply not enough buttons) but I think something can still be quite simple even if it requires a couple button presses instead.

[Mosician]

Have you even used Rockbox and tried its playlist catalog and song removal features?

They are very simple. They aren't one-button, and they'll never be one-button (there are simply not enough buttons) but I think something can still be quite simple even if it requires a couple button presses instead.

No I never used Rockbox as I do not own any standalone mp3 player. The closed software format of mp3 players I just did not like, now Rockbox is good news for me.

As I understood one of Rockbox's philosophies was to keep things as customizable as possible, but as we could see in our conversation, this seems to have some "standard limits". I would even prefer being able to override these "standard button behaviours" as mentioned above. I would define Long Back as "add to favourites list" and Long Next as "remove from current list and jump to next song". Rockbox' philosophy ends already here. 

But I suppose I will soon consider buying an additional mp3 player, even knowing they don't have what I want, but thanks to Rockbox, it is possible to implement. Before Rockbox we had not this possibility.

Before buying an mp3 player, I discovered now the Rockbox simulators with which I am playing around now. This is great. So you can buy a hardware when you have finished a Rockbox version which fits to your needs.

While experimenting with the simulator I discovered there is an option in Settings.Playback Settings.Skip Length, e.g. when set to 1 min, who needs the fast forward buttons still? I am asking out of curiosity as this seems to be an overlapping of functionality on buttons, so in such setting scenarios the WPS buttons could adapt themselves to this changes, e.g. by replacing Long Next and Long Back buttons (optionally) with other functionality, e.g. as suggested above.