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Pause & adjust volume when locked?

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gellfex:

--- Quote from: Llorean on November 24, 2008, 11:45:04 AM ---At what point was it actually ridiculed?

With the font and theme options there are usability implications. While they do add a graphical flourish, they also make it possible for the user to customize the player so its playback state and position can be more easily seen (large fonts, high contrast colours, large status icons). They allow the user to accomplish things there is no workaround for.

Meanwhile, your request can simply be worked around by actually making use of the existing pause button.

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Cmon, the whole tone has been "why would anyone want that?"  I'm sure you get all sorts of crazy ideas here, but this one has a track record that warrants more than a brush off.  The fact that Rio engineers and a bunch of customers thought it was a good idea is ignored. If someone on the original Rockbox team had used one of these players I'm sure it would have been included, but Rockbox seems to suffer, like almost all player and interface designers, from Ipod obsession. I hate Ipods because they stifle all other ideas, resemble them or die. Rio had a large chunk of the MP3 market at one point, but because they were outmarketed by Apple, now all their ideas are trash.

I don't consider "get used to it, even though there's better way that you prefer" to be a "workaround". The same could have been said about any of the features you made customizable. It's the response one expects from Apple. I laughed at how long it took them to adopt multiple button mice, I've been using a 5 button mouse for years.

Llorean:
Considering Rockbox's interface was created initially by people who'd never used an iPod, accusing it of suffering from "iPod Obsession" is pretty ridiculous.

The fact that you think the Rockbox interface is anything at all like the iPod interface, beyond the fact that both of them contain menus composed of text, suggests you really haven't looked into things much.

If you just want to insult Rockbox, go do it somewhere else. People have as much right to be critical of your idea as you have to suggest it, and nobody has stopped you from working on it.

Nobody said the idea was trash. It's just been said that it's unlikely to get in Rockbox. In fact, nobody said "Why would anyone want that?" The tone here is "it's not right for Rockbox" not "why would anyone want that."

But seriously, by attempting to claim Rockbox suffers from iPod obsession, you've basically lost any reasonable credibility you have here.

And frankly, it doesn't matter how many people think it's a good idea, if none of the people who do are willing to put in the time to work on it. And considering we've got thousands of users who've never even requested the idea, and one user who has but is unwilling to do the work, I'm not sure it's as hugely popular as you seem to think it is, at least among people interested in using Rockbox. But popularity isn't the important part. The important part is someone who wants the idea actually doing the work in such a way that it's acceptable to enough core developers to get it in. Since you don't even have a patch to show, nobody can even try it to decide for themselves in practical use whether it's a good idea, they can just listen to you describe a feature that sounds like "I can't recognize the pause button by touch, so I want an option to make all the buttons pause buttons." If you produced a patch, people might try it out and see that it's a better idea than it sounds.

Instead, you seem focused on ranting.

gellfex:

--- Quote from: Llorean on November 24, 2008, 01:27:53 PM ---Considering Rockbox's interface was created initially by people who'd never used an iPod, accusing it of suffering from "iPod Obsession" is pretty ridiculous.

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That explains a lot. When I was in Industrial Design school at Carnegie-Mellon we were taught that the first step to designing a new product was to study the market and the competition for what worked and what didn't.

And yes, I got the message very early in the thread that this wasn't a suggestion box, rather a place to petition for something you yourself have already developed to be included. Had it just been that, rather than the "why would anyone want that" (which is indistinguishable from "not right for rockbox") I would not have said anything more.

Thanks for your unpaid work on this site and project. Perhaps if the economy continues to crash and burn I'll get the free time to learn how to do it myself. But don't worry, I won't bring it here!

AlexP:

--- Quote from: gellfex on November 24, 2008, 02:02:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: Llorean on November 24, 2008, 01:27:53 PM ---Considering Rockbox's interface was created initially by people who'd never used an iPod, accusing it of suffering from "iPod Obsession" is pretty ridiculous.

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That explains a lot. When I was in Industrial Design school at Carnegie-Mellon we were taught that the first step to designing a new product was to study the market and the competition for what worked and what didn't.

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So originally there were things wrong with Rockbox as the developers were obsessed with the ipod, and now what is wrong is that the developers didn't look at the ipod?

It can't be both...


--- Quote from: gellfex on November 24, 2008, 02:02:55 PM ---Had it just been that, rather than the "why would anyone want that" (which is indistinguishable from "not right for rockbox") I would not have said anything more.

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That just isn't true.  Many people might want a feature, but that doesn't make it a good fit with Rockbox.  I personally wouldn't use this one, but that doesn't mean I don't understand why you might.  Isn't right for Rockbox (not that I'm passing any judgement on this request's suitability) doesn't mean nobody understands why someone wants it.


--- Quote from: gellfex on November 24, 2008, 02:02:55 PM ---Thanks for your unpaid work on this site and project. Perhaps if the economy continues to crash and burn I'll get the free time to learn how to do it myself. But don't worry, I won't bring it here!

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I'm very sorry about that, extra people are always welcome.  I'm sorry if you feel that way.  I think we all acknowledge that there are many many ways in which Rockbox could be improved - please don't get discouraged because people don't seem to like this idea.

Llorean:
This is a "suggestion box." But just because you think it's a good idea doesn't mean it IS a good idea for Rockbox.


Remember (or perhaps you haven't realized this): The target audience is very small, being those who actively work on and develop the software. They choose to share it with others, but they don't go out of their way to add features just "to be popular." Instead, they add features they feel makes the software "better" in their view of what it should be.

That's why, as I said previously, if it's clear none of them seem to see the feature as making the software better, you should produce a patch and convince them otherwise.

I understand you seem to feel put upon, but it seems like you're creating this feeling for yourself, and I'm saddened that you're reacting this way. You admit that your interpretation is not indistinguishable from "not right for Rockbox" which means that you clearly decided to choose to interpret it as the more negative meaning from the start, rather than attempting to assume the best until proven otherwise. If you enter into this expecting such things from the start, I really feel there was little point in you attempting to discuss this in the first place.

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