Saving position problem

[SxNova]

Using both the release version 3.0 and the latest build, when I pause my player, let it shut down from being idle, then restart the player, it doesn't save the exact position I left off at.  I download radio shows that are about 4 hours long, and its always about 20 minutes off of when I left it when I turn it on, so I have to fast forward every time.  Bookmarking seems to work, but I'd like to just pause and have it save the position because sometimes I'll go back to it before it shuts down.  Any advice would be appreciated!

Edit: Well I've been playing around  and it seems to be an issue with bookmarks.  Saving my position when I let the player power off works fine until I enable bookmarking then save one.  Then every time I start up the player and select resume playback, it will start from the bookmarked position instead of where the track was when I paused it. 

Looks like bookmarking and resume playback dont like to play together.  Resume playback started working again after I turned off bookmarking, but I'd like to be able to use both depending on the situation.  Bookmarking for when I feel like saving my place in a show that I've downloaded and listening to music, and resume playback for when I need to pause in a hurry and not sure if it will only be stopped for a minute, or long enough for my sansa to auto shut off.  As it is now, if I create a bookmark, listen for a half hour after that point, then pause and my player auto shuts off, its going to start at the bookmarked point, even when selecting resume playback.   

Is this a known issue, or am I doing something wrong?

[Strife89]

Here's a few settings that might help you out, and they're all under Settings/General Settings/Bookmarking.

Load Last Bookmark is probably set to "Yes", so have a look at that setting.

Bookmark On Stop will probably help you tremendously with the "How long will this be stopped?" dilemma - though you will have to get into the habit of stopping (not pausing) playback.

[bascule]

Load Last Bookmark is probably set to "Yes", so have a look at that setting.

This is almost certainly your problem. If set to 'Yes', playback always resumes from the last bookmark.

Bookmark On Stop will probably help you tremendously with the "How long will this be stopped?" dilemma - though you will have to get into the habit of stopping (not pausing) playback.

This is incorrect. Bookmark On Stop does create a bookmark on an idle poweroff when paused.

SxNova you therefore have basically two solutions to your problem. Either set Load Last Bookmark to 'No' or 'Ask' OR set Bookmark on Stop to 'Yes'.

If you set Bookmark on Stop to 'Yes', you may want to look into the Maintain a list of Recently Used Bookmarks setting. This will allow the 'on Stop' bookmark to be created without deleting any previous one you may have manually created.

Either will give the behaviour you desire, the choice being only which is better for you.

If you haven't already looked, the manual covers these settings quite well:

http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1420008.6

[SxNova]

No, the Load Last Bookmark wasn't set to "yes".  In fact, it kept resuming from the bookmarked place, even after I deleted the bookmark.  Resume playback only started working after I turned off the option to bookmark. 

And the behavior I desire is to be able to use both bookmarking AND resume playback! I don't want to load a bookmark every single time because my player goes off and on quite a bit throughout the day due to the nature of my job.

[bascule]

I don't want to load a bookmark every single time...

If you set Load Last Bookmark to 'yes', you don't have to do anything, it loads automatically.

However, as this does not seem to be the root problem here can you answer the following questions:
Which player?
Which version are you currently running that is experiencing the problem (version number please)?
How are you initiating playback in the first instance (e.g. File browser or Database)
How are you resuming playback when the problem occurs?

Saving my position when I let the player power off works fine until I enable bookmarking then save one.

What do you mean by that? You can't enable/disable bookmarking, so it must be one of the settings we've already discussed that's causing the problem.

Can you list all your bookmarking-related settings whilst the player is experiencing the resume playback issue that you originally described?

[SxNova]

I'm using a Sansa e280 with rockbox release 3.0, but I have also used the latest build and it does the same thing. 

I'm using the file browser. 

I'm resuming by selecting "resume playback" lol.

By enable bookmarking, I mean turn on the option to either create one automatically or ask me to create one.  By disable, I mean setting it to "no".  And like I said, pressing "resume playback" would still start my mp3 at the last bookmark regardless of where I was when I paused it.  It would even resume at the last bookmark even when I DELETED the bookmark.  I had to set create bookmark to "no" to get "resume playback" to actually resume. 

I've tested this with pretty much every different bookmark setting, but my ideal settings would be:

Bookmark on stop - Ask
Load last bookmark - No
Maintain a list of recent bookmarks - Yes.

With those settings I have this issue. 

[Strife89]

Back up your config file, then reset your settings and reboot (or hold Record as you boot). Then see if the problem is still there.

If the problem still occurs, reload your config file and try turning on the  directory cache.

Also, I'm curious as to whether you reboot or not after deleting the bookmark. I suspect Rockbox keeps at least a few in RAM after booting, though that is only a hunch.

[Chronon]

I want to point out that I also use a Rockboxed e280 and bookmarking and resume playback work fine together.  So, it seems that some factor that's unique to your setup is causing this, such as settings (as Strife89 suggested).

[Lear]

It is worth noting that "Resume Playback" doesn't use the bookmark system at all, so it is normal to be able to resume playback even after deleting a bookmark.

The only way I can see the autobookmark setting causing these problems is due to subtle differences in behavior during system shutdown with playback paused (causing the resume playback to not be updated to the most recent value). I've looked a bit at the code, but so far I haven't found anything that could explain it.

One thing to test: create a bookmark manually (when autobookmark is off), e.g., from the WPS context menu. That shouldn't cause any problems...

[SxNova]

Well the thing is, when selecting "resume playback", it would resume from the BOOKMARK, not from where I paused it at.  Even after deleting the bookmark.  No matter how much farther I listened to, when I hit pause, then wanted to resume later on after the player shut off, it would resume from wherever the bookmark was created.  Half hour later, hour later, didn't matter.  Thats why I was annoyed, because I wanted it to resume, not load my bookmark that didn't exist and have to fast forward again.   Since I've stopped using bookmarks, resume works how it should, but I'd like to have the option to bookmark, but still be able to resume at the spot I paused the track at.  I'll give the manual bookmark create a try.  What I did to test was set it to bookmark on stop, set my idle shut off to 1 minute, fast forwarded about a half hour, hit pause, then waited a minute til it shut off.  Then I started the player up again, selected resume playback, and it would always start at the bookmark, even with the auto load bookmark setting set to "no".

I also would like to note that I have formatted my player and reloaded rockbox from scratch and still had this problem.  I tried that before I even posted on the forums.  I'll try the directory cache setting too.  And I did reboot my player after deleting the bookmark, it was part of my testing process to let the player auto shut off.