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AlexP:

--- Quote from: danny_pav on May 13, 2008, 01:04:40 PM ---why couldn't the list of articles be a file so that you can have a different list of articles for each language pack?

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What happens if I have songs in a mix of languages, and sometimes I want 'Die" to mean "die" as in English, and sometimes I want it to mean "The" in German?

bluebrother:

--- Quote from: pixelma on May 09, 2008, 12:50:45 PM ---(often cited example, the German article "die").
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Just as an explanation how a "language pack" would fail:
Imagine someone having the artists "Die Ärzte" (a german band, where the "Die" is an article) and "Die Happy". If you language-like treat "Die" as article you'll get a sorting based on "Ärzte, Die" (which is correct) and "Happy, Die" (which is wrong). Simply put, it isn't as simple as ignoring an article or even making that article configurable. The only proper solution is to implement sort tags in the files metadata.

danny_pav:
using sort tags is problematic in that:
1. for every tag we would want to sort by, we need to have an alternate sorting tag.  so tag artist, would need sort_artist, album would need sort_album, etc.
2. are there any ripper/organizer/library software that supports these tags -- if not, how do we tag our music sets to wrok properly?  is the sort going to completely blow up when i don't have the new tags on some part of my collection?

markun:
Sorting should be done on the the normal tags if the file doesn't have a sort tag. So just add it where needed.

No idea which tag editors support it.

Here you can see some sorting tags for various formats:

http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardQt/TagMapping

soap:

--- Quote from: danny_pav on May 22, 2008, 08:56:37 AM ---using sort tags is problematic in that:
1. for every tag we would want to sort by, we need to have an alternate sorting tag.  so tag artist, would need sort_artist, album would need sort_album, etc.
2. are there any ripper/organizer/library software that supports these tags -- if not, how do we tag our music sets to wrok properly?  is the sort going to completely blow up when i don't have the new tags on some part of my collection?




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1 - The easiest way to start would be to do a bulk tag-write and copy artist to sort_artist and album to sort_album.  Then you can customize the sort tags at your leisure, and the failure result would be to sort albums as usual.
2 - Musicbrainz and Foobar should both support these tags - and that is the only two tagging programs I am familiar with.  As I said - there will be no blow-up - only failure-to-status quo.

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