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Offline gorman

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End of playlist behaviour and resume from playback
« on: April 11, 2008, 08:51:55 AM »
Hi!

I'm just wondering why, when a playlist has ended, if I press play the DAP reports nothing to resume, while, if I go and look at the current playlist, the playlist is still there.
Wouldn't be nice to be able to press play and restart playing the playlist from the beginning? I'm saying this even because, before thinking about going and having a look at the playlist menu, I was led to believe that the playlist was deleted automatically once played completely through (which would have been even more worrying).
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Offline GodEater

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Re: End of playlist behaviour and resume from playback
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2008, 10:44:52 AM »
Odd that you should bring this up, as this behaviour, and whether it's a good thing or not produced a rather heated discussion in IRC recently. I don't think we reached a consensus on what the ideal thing to do is currently - so for the moment - the behaviour will remain as is.
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Re: End of playlist behaviour and resume from playback
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2008, 06:00:03 AM »
Quote from: GodEater on April 11, 2008, 10:44:52 AM
Odd that you should bring this up, as this behaviour, and whether it's a good thing or not produced a rather heated discussion in IRC recently. I don't think we reached a consensus on what the ideal thing to do is currently - so for the moment - the behaviour will remain as is.
:) I've never been on the IRC channel. Is there a log of this discussion? I'd like to understand what the advantages of the current implementation are, as I can't see them (which doesn't mean they don't exist, obviously).
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Offline yapper

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Re: End of playlist behaviour and resume from playback
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2008, 06:13:42 AM »
http://www.rockbox.org/irc/
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Re: End of playlist behaviour and resume from playback
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2008, 06:38:13 AM »
Quote from: yapper on April 13, 2008, 06:13:42 AM
http://www.rockbox.org/irc/
Is there a search facility, though? I couldn't find one and GodEater was kind of generic in his indication (recently).
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Offline Llorean

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Re: End of playlist behaviour and resume from playback
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2008, 06:45:03 AM »
There really aren't advantages to the current method. It came about because originally playlists vanished when they reached the end, and were only viewable while playing (if you hit stop, it was treated as if there was no playlist, with the ideology being that when music is stopped, resuming re-loads the playlisted songs, matching more or less what happens on a technical level). As a convenience, it was added that the playlist is preserved to be viewable when it ends, but this was just added on to the old method, meaning there's no longer a consistent definition of when a playlist is available.

The debate on IRC was on a more or less peripherally related topic or two, but it seems most agree that the entire playback system could use more consistency in how the end of playlists are treated, as well as the playlist status when music is stopped. For example, if you reach the end of a playlist, you've already pointed out that you can still view it. But if you shut down the player, and bring it back on, you can't any more even though arguably you're just as stopped as you were before, and it's just as "previously" (or "currently" depending on your definition of the situation) playing as it was immediately before you shut down the player. This is inconsistent with the idea that the playlist should always be available (what things seem to be moving toward right now) and treated as "current" whether it's in-use or not.
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Offline GodEater

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Re: End of playlist behaviour and resume from playback
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2008, 09:29:27 AM »
Log : http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080327

The rather heated argument starts at about 11:40am.

**Warning** it goes on for a few hours!
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Offline gorman

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Re: End of playlist behaviour and resume from playback
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2008, 12:06:13 PM »
Thanks for the detailed answers and for the log, I'll read it and, in case, come back here.
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