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iPod first generation install?
bidmead:
--- Quote from: Llorean on March 18, 2008, 05:00:04 AM ---What "end-user" exactly?
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Projects like RB work, IME, because they attract two kinds of people. Hackers who like to get stuck in up to the elbows, and end-users who are just happy to appreciate the functionality, and show their appreciation by reporting back on bugs, and perhaps features they'd like to see. Both types are essential to a healthy project.
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Chris
Llorean:
So, we should educate the end users as to what to expect in general. In this unique case, it turns out the port isn't actually complete (due to unknown hardware), and it will likely be removed. But it's somewhat unreasonable to expect the front page to be updated every time a showstopper bug shows up. As I tried to say, these bugs happen often as there's no release version, and often a showstopper will exist, last for a day or two, then be stamped out, without knowledge of it even coming up among those with access to the front page.
dunno:
The word on the street is "use rockbox, its cool, uses file tree browsing, and you can play games, etc... "joe soap" is not interested in bug hunting he wants plug and play, this is where RB current development philosophy is at odds with "joe soaps" expectations, as there is no release for any post Archos target and no warning of a broken build, not having some means of flagging or notifying users that current SVN is broken for a player is frustrating for "joe soap" and bad for RB credibility.
Because developers assume that the most a build will broken for is a day or two, for the 1G the builds have been broken for a long time due to stated bug, with no developer noticing the bug, where does that leave "joe soap", is he/she supposed to read the logs and mailing list just to determine what the status of SVN is, so that he can load a working build to his/her player ?. I would suggest you put a big disclaimer somewhere appropriate stating that "unreleased" Rockbox is for folks that are interested in helping developers find bugs, casual users are to expect bugs, and if a current build is "broken/buggy" then wait a day or two before trying a newer current build, (although in the case of the 1G a day or two's grace wouldn't have fixed the bug).
bidmead:
@dunno: I'd be inclined to discount Joe Soap (by your definition) in this current context. If he's not interested in bug hunting, he doesn't contribute to the effort, and so is not part of the health of the project as I've described it. That's not to dismiss him altogether -- if he can pick up something he finds useful, good luck to him. But I don't think developers should spend too much time worrying about him.
I do think they should spare a lot of thought, though, for the end-user who is prepared to give good feedback. What matters is the code, and the code needs those end-users -- eyeballs, with mouths attached for feedback. Anything that misleads, confuses or paralyses those end-users needs attention from the developers every bit as much, if not more, than the code itself.
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Chris
linuxstb:
Going back to the problem, it would be useful if 1G owners could do the following:
1) Hold the PLAY button whilst booting (this will cause the Rockbox bootloader to try and load an ipodlinux kernel, which should fail).
2) You should see some info messages on the screen - the third line should be something like:
IPOD version: 0x00010001
(with the last digit being 0, 1 or 2).
3) Post that number on the Flyspray task for this bug (or here, if you're not registered on Flyspray, but Flyspray would be better), along with a statement saying if your scrollwheel works or not:
http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8745
Thanks.
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