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Can I install Rockbox without "Initialising" a via iTunes?
Llorean:
Please, please don't talk about lying to Apple about your warranty here. Seriously, I'm sure one of the reasons they actively dislike alternative firmwares is because it costs them money when people try to install one, mess up, and go to the manufacturer for a replacement. While this can't really happen on the iPod (they're fantastically brickproof from a software side) is still wrong to lie about warrant terms, and in many cases may even be a crime.
mruddo:
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I don't think that's a fair - I'm not talking about lying to anyone! Just asking if I can register the product without using iTunes.
If I buy a Windows PC and install Linux on it, I would not expect the vendor to support any issues I may have in that respect, and if it had to go back - perhaps because of a hardware issue, then I'd happily re-install the supplied operating system before shipping it to them.
I really don't think such a harsh tone is necessary for what I feel is a perfectly reasonable question to ask.
Llorean:
Windows PCs usually do not have a warranty that explicitly forbids you to alter the software installed. Most products like iPods do. Reinstalling the original software and attempting to return it to them when you have violated their warranty *is* a real problem in that case.
Making light of it by comparing it to a PC doesn't change the fact that there are terms to their warranty, and you may be voluntarily breaking it by installing Rockbox.
You're welcome to not like the tone, but uninstalling Rockbox and telling them you haven't installed it, or neglecting to tell them you have when it would make your warranty void, is still lying. I didn't comment at all about your issue of registering, just your suggestion that you'd uninstall Rockbox before returning it. If Rockbox didn't void your warranty, there would be no need to remove it.
Edit: And reporting posts are for posts violating the forum guidelines. Not for when you think someone has been rude to you.
mruddo:
Come on, give me a break... I've never owned an Apple product in my life, and know nothing of any specifics about their warranties (yet).
I'm not making light of anything, but feel it grossly unreasonable that after posting what I still believe to be a perfecly reasonable question I get such an agressive response.
What happens if I get a faulty unit and have problems from day one? What happens if the headphones don't work, or the USB cable's faulty? etc. etc.
This is only my fourth post on a new forum where I hoped I'd found a group of likeminded souls, and that I'd not only learn from but hopefully contribute towards what looks like an excellent product... Unfortunately however I've been shot down almost immediately - with someone seeing fit to basically call me a liar.
A perfect example of how not to make the new guy feel welcome!!!
Llorean:
I didn't call you a liar. I said "doing that would make you a liar." You haven't done it yet, have you?
Please, read carefully what I've said. I even pointed out that it merely MAY be illegal depending on the terms of your specific warranty and the legalities where you live.
You've decided I said something I didn't, and I can't do anything about that. Reread what I've said. I asked that you not talk about lying to Apple, because reinstalling Rockbox to return it to them would be such.
I also couldn't have known you didn't read your warranty, as it's your responsibility to do so and know its terms.
All I said, in the end, is "please don't talk about that here" but you chose to take it as a personal insult. Frankly, I'd like you to apologize for abusing the report function and spamming all our admins.
If you get a faulty unit using the Apple firmware, return it. But it's YOUR choice to install Rockbox, and if it voids the warranty you have, it's YOUR problem, between you and Apple, to argue whether it's right that it voids the warranty if your problem is hardware related. But if the terms say it's voided, that's that. If you choose to lie to them about it, to avoid such an issue, it's also your choice. But do not talk about it here.
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