Possible ZIF to 1.8" IDE adapter! 100GB iriver H140?

[AlexP]

So in theory then, the 160GB iPod Classic HDD should work as well.  

Well the 160GB Classic hard drive is CE-ATA not ZIF-40, so it would need a different adapter (if indeed one is available - I haven't looked).

[LambdaCalculus]

The drive from an 80GB Classic (Toshiba MK8022GAA) does have a ZIF40, though (from what markun and I have gathered), so those will work.

iFixit has some in stock, but they're mighty pricey, at $179.95 USD a pop:

http://www.ifixit.com/iPod-Parts/iPod-Classic-80-GB-Hard-Drive/IF130-010

[Llorean]

The iPod Classic is CE-ATA, not ZIF, I believe.

[LambdaCalculus]

Found this Toshiba press release whilst searching Google:

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2007_09/pr0602.htm

[juanpa74]

Isn't CE-ATA an interface and ZIF or LIF the connector?
Just saw this: http://www.govconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=8015291

[Llorean]

I believe CE-ATA is both a connector and interface, while ZIF is simply a connector for IDE/ATA

[juanpa74]

What adapter did he use? The one from ebay? I can't find that on the IRC log.

Also on the ZIF and CE-ATA it is clearer after I read this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=15798.0
So I can forget about using a 160GB on my "H360" for a while...  

EDIT: Oh and I forgot to mention that LinusN apparently managed to fit an MK1011GAH (100GB, ZIF) in his H140 and boot Rockbox successfully: IRC log.

[LinusN]

What adapter did he use? The one from ebay? I can't find that on the IRC log.

I used this one: http://esskabel.de/Produkte/Anschlussadapter/HDD-1.8-REV1/ADA-HDD-1.8-REV1-haupt.htm#ADA-HDD-1.8-ZIF-CF

[Jeff]

The iPod Classic is CE-ATA, not ZIF, I believe.

It looks as though according to Toshiba anyway that the 80GB uses an ATA 3/4 interface. (MK8022GAA)     The MK8009GAH on the other hand uses an ATA 6 interface.  Not sure if that will make a difference?

[juanpa74]

I just bought an 80GB Zif hard disk (MK8009GAH) for my Iriver "H360"  
The ZIF-IDE adaptor is on its way from China..
It should arrive next week but also I am going to be away from home for 2 weeks.
It will depend if the adaptor arrives before I leave, if not you will have to wait till the end of the month for the results.

[juanpa74]

How do you order from them?
I can't find the adapter on the english version of their site.
But the good thing is they say (in "We About Us" section)  they can "create" adaptors http://esskabel.de/English-Site/english.htm
or that is what I understood from "...we offer the possibility,customized cable assembly now to you for prototype.."
Probably expensive to order one,but if the one I ordered or the one they have don't fit in the H3xx maybe there is a chance here.

I used this one: http://esskabel.de/Produkte/Anschlussadapter/HDD-1.8-REV1/ADA-HDD-1.8-REV1-haupt.htm#ADA-HDD-1.8-ZIF-CF

[juanpa74]

EDIT2: Ok, I found it.
EDIT: Ok, I forced it even more and now it is working on the enclosure.
But now I need to know which is Pin1 on the IDE connector of the Iriver H340 or the IDE Toshiba drive.
Thanks.

Hi. Now I have the harddrive and the adaptor... but after 2 hours trying to insert the cable in the Toshiba ZIF conector. I give up! I have googled for videos or pictures or a solution on how to insert ut and couldn't find anything!!
Zero Insertion Force?? Zero? That must be a joke!
Any help please?
Thanks

I just bought an 80GB Zif hard disk (MK8009GAH) for my Iriver "H360"  
The ZIF-IDE adaptor is on its way from China..
It should arrive next week but also I am going to be away from home for 2 weeks.
It will depend if the adaptor arrives before I leave, if not you will have to wait till the end of the month for the results.

[inluxication]

What adapter did he use? The one from ebay? I can't find that on the IRC log.

I used this one: http://esskabel.de/Produkte/Anschlussadapter/HDD-1.8-REV1/ADA-HDD-1.8-REV1-haupt.htm#ADA-HDD-1.8-ZIF-CF

Linus, can you help out the less savvy on this long-awaited development?  From the quote above and the earlier IRC link I take it you used an MK1011GAH, the adapter quoted, and an H140, and it seems that you were able to reassemble everything including the rubber padding.

Is there anything tricky involved, or just pushing parts together in an obvious way?  The link you sent includes the mysterious caution "Maybe connectors must be unlocked before mounting the FPC into them and relocked after the mounting process."

What drives other than the MK1011GAH are sure to work?  From the adapter link, I guess: MK2008GAL; MK3008GAL; MK4008GAH; MK4009GAL; MK6008GAH; MK8009GAH.

Finally, following your adapter link to consider ordering, I can't find the particular ADA-HDD-1.8-ZIF-CF part on the "Preislisten" (price list, for non-German-speaking readers) link from
http://www.adapter-king.de/
nor on
http://www.ak-data.de/grelle-shop-x/index2.htm .  
My German is rudimentary but I'm not convinced that's the problem; anyway, can you help?  (I infer the adapter was in the realm of 20 Euro; don't know about the shipping to anywhere.)  Is this adapter is especially good for the purpose, or might something off ebay (more convenient in the US at least) work as well?  Aside from the exact form-factor issue, at least 3 of the 4 drives on the page you linked could have fooled me, so I wouldn't know precisely what to look for on ebay.  The adapter juanpa74 ordered is apparently electrically correct, if space-challenged in an H340; don't know if it would work in an H140.

Sorry for the many questions, but I'm trying to pin down details so that I can actually *do* this.

Thanks and best wishes,
Greg

[LinusN]

First of all, the ESS kabel adapter is the best suited, since the adapters on Ebay have the ZIF socket facing the other direction, which makes it harder to mount without breaking the flex strip.

Unfortunately, they do not have it for sale yet, I only got a sample for evaluation.

Any ZIF hard drive should do, provided that it has a 512-byte physical sector size. The MK8009GAH drive, for instance, has 1024-bytes physical sectors, and is not yet compatible. It requires the same kind of modification to the ATA drivers as the iPod 5.5G.

The reason I have the adapter in the first place is to see if we can use 1024-bytes sectors on the H140, but I have yet to find such a drive for testing.

There is a locking mechanism on all ZIF sockets. The text on the web page is simply a warning, so you don't try to insert the flex cable without unlocking first.

[juanpa74]

I guess you mean it for the H140. The MK8009GAH is working fine under rockbox for the H340.
I think I had to push harder to connect the ZIF ribbon to the hard disk because I broke (took out) the locking mechanism (It wasn't that obvious, be careful).
If I could find somewhere longer ZIF ribbon cable I think I could fit the harddisk better and close the H340. I may consider peeling the battery wrapping but I am scare I will still be pushing the hard disk too much.
Anyone knows about longer cables?
Also LinusN, let us know when those adaptors are available to purchase.

Also: How is that I don't get email notifications for the thread even though I check Notify me of replies? Is there anything else I have to set? Thanks.

The MK8009GAH drive, for instance, has 1024-bytes physical sectors, and is not yet compatible. It requires the same kind of modification to the ATA drivers as the iPod 5.5G.
......

There is a locking mechanism on all ZIF sockets. The text on the web page is simply a warning, so you don't try to insert the flex cable without unlocking first.